Women's Reactions to Rape

LOL, trouble is you better reverse that order since statistics say you are more likely to be raped by daddy or boyfriend than a stranger...so then you advocate trust in a stranger over your family? Your thread is going to shit Crashfrog.Your problem is what I stated from the beginning...unrealistic, putting the issues in the laps of women, and suggesting that there is nothing further that men can do.For the record carrying a sword in history had more to do with protecting oneself from STRANGERS than friends, your extrapolation for the why is ridiculous at best.

I was beginning to think I was the only one that was seeing it this way, and then being accused of being sexist.

Maybe you don't like the fact that I point out that you are ignorant by infering that readiness to fight is related to trust or mistrust. The two are in no way related, and the specific point Schraf brought up was MISTRUST...if you call someone a friend you have a certain level of trust, and can therefore be betrayed...this is not a misrepresentation. As Schraf's post to what you said was equally incredulous to your claims, maybe YOU need to re-evaluate your thinking on the subject.

Geez, don't cry now. Step up and own it! Develop your ideas a bit more if you think I am emphasizing the wrong point. Expound, elaborate....did you think that when you brought up an issue that has ties to society, evolution, and religion that this was going to be a 3 point suggestion by you and everyone would applaud?....what you didn't like the stats I posted? How about me providing an exact MISREPRESENTATION by you concerning the level of accountability?

Just as I thought, when someone has a more intelligent, comprehensive view than your own, you cry wolf. I have tried to stick to the facts. Every time you have wanted clarification I have given it to you.You have support for ONE suggestion you made: the physical aspect of self-defense. But then many women already do this, so your "nothing" comment was incorrect.On the other hand, you have ignored my point about stricter punishment, educating men about women, and the reverse as well...you seem to be stuck on guns,physical contact, and mistrust.....mmm gotta love the breeding ground of that for mutual respect between the sexes.You've brought nothing new OR insightful to the table and have resisted any other ideas that would include men as part of the solution. As long as you think this way it negates your attempt to appear open-minded. Whatever, if you can't address my points then fine...it just means you concede to me.

First, had you been following this thread...it is not I who suggested mistrust was part of the solution to resolving rape. Not sure where you are getting this from? I am against fostering distrust, and that is why I disagree with Crashfrog and his/her claim that historically the reason men wore weapons was in the event he had to use them on his friends....I think those that are history buffs on this forum might find this claim naive, at best. There is nothing to be gained from distrust. So, until I hear something realistic and true in support, I will take it as a concession that Crashfrog was unable to support it! Any other twists you'd like to add? First, you are off topic. Second, maybe you can do the job that Crashfrog was unable to, tell me and everyoneelse on this forum how fostering distrust will improve the problem of rape. Unless there is a problem with your ability to read, I have already suggested REALISTIC solutions to this problem. So, go, check it out.Let me ask YOU, once again, do you think MEN have done everything they can to help the problem?? Both you and Crashfrog have avoided this question like the plague. So, answer it, I'm sure everyone here on this thread would love to hear your response.

Yeah, big of you to accuse me of being sexist, misrepresenting you, and then running off. Whatever, I'll be the bigger person since you have run out of support for your argument.Maybe you can contribute as much time to being active in REAL anti-Rape organizations instead of settling for discussing something you apparently think can only be settled through violence and mistust.

Yeah, one would probably think either a woman or a gay guy, right? Or making that half of the population have to pay for a coupla' wankers. Relationships are difficult enough already.Btw, thanks.

1st Paragraph:This is the point where Crashfrog is getting stuck though. Crashfrog does not seem to think that there is anything more that men can do except NOT rape women. Imo, a problem cannot be resolved by the victimized half.The part of this debate that I find incredible is can you, yourself, even conceive of addressing racism in a similar fashion? I realize it is off-topic, but the fact that we are more comfortable with saying "yeah, women need to learn self-defense since it would improve the "attack situation"", BUT if you look at it from a racism point of view I think Crashfrog would be reticent to post statements such as:
"what more can white people do except NOT be racist?"
"white people have failed" ergo it is up to [insert minority here] to shoulder the responsibility...oh, and why haven't they already?"I'm trusting that you will realize this is a simple question posed to you...just to test yourself...maybe you already have. In case, as has been posted by roxrkool I think that completely abolishing rape, and in my example racism, is unlikely.

Yes, yes, I know you won't reply, I don't care. Yes, and women have never been told that to look like Claudia Schiffer, Halle Berry, etc is what they should strive to become...so, where do they get this from?? It's called mass media. So, where do you get the idea that this object is there for whatever you want of it?...hmmm
The topless bars
Penthouse/Playboy
Video Games (Grand Theft Auto: Vice City comes to mind)
Internet sites
Beer ads
TV shows like 'Family Guy'I concede though that this knife cuts both ways. In other words, women get the message as well, only it places them in an inferior position, socially and otherwise. The ideas of a Prince Charming and Love=Sex doesn't help either. So, as you have shown with self-defense, it cannot worsen the problem by having a "grandiose plan to change the minds of all men?" and I would add women as well.