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Author Topic:   Creation DOES need to be taught with evolution
jar
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Message 147 of 245 (162455)
11-22-2004 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by MangyTiger
11-22-2004 9:47 PM


P.S. I know that theocracy is a big stretch from teaching creationism in school - but I don't think it is by any means impossible.
Unfortunately I don't think we are all that far from a Fundamentalist Theocracy unless folk step up and speak out immediately. How sad. The Taliban with nukes AND all the means to deliver them anywhere in the world against anyone.

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jar
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Message 194 of 245 (164210)
11-30-2004 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by d_yankee
11-30-2004 10:30 PM


Re: Taken as a belief
No. Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory.
Evolution is the sum total of the evidence.
The Theory is the best explaination for the evidence.
Belief is not a factor in either.

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jar
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Message 211 of 245 (164490)
12-01-2004 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by d_yankee
12-01-2004 7:50 PM


Let's look at some of your assertions.
d_yankee asserts:
1) First answer. That is because most evolutionists are atheists.
That's an interesting assertion but do you have any evidence to back it up? It appears that every major Christian Church actually supports teaching the Theory of Evolution and opposes teaching Creationism.
quote:
Religions Supporting Evolution
These churches and religious organizations have come out in opposition to teaching creationism in school:
* American Jewish Congress
* American Scientific Affiliation
* Center For Theology And The Natural Sciences
* Central Conference Of American Rabbis
* Episcopal Bishop Of Atlanta, Pastoral Letter
* The General Convention Of The Episcopal Church
* Lexington Alliance Of Religious Leaders
* The Lutheran World Federation
* Roman Catholic Church
* Unitarian Universalist Association
* United Church Board For Homeland Ministries
* United Methodist Church
* United Presbyterian Church In The U.S.A.
It appears that religiouos folk, particularly Christians, support Evolution.
2) Second answer. Yes. Through my studies of history, theology, science, and the Bible I take them literally when they mean it.
Okay. What does that mean? As a Christian, reading the Bible, it seems pretty obvious to me and many (see the list of Churches that support teaching TOE above) that the Genesis Creation tales were not meant to be taken literally.
So how does one tell if something should be taken literally?
edited to change sipport to support.
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Message 231 of 245 (167264)
12-11-2004 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by RAZD
12-11-2004 9:06 PM


Re: Creationist predictions?
The problem I have with teaching Creationism alongside real science is simply one of disruption. Look at what happens here and elsewhere on the WEB. The same exact issues come up time after time after time, and even when they are shot down the proponents usually simply stick their fingers in their ears and sing "La-La-La-La, I can't hear what you're saying".
I don't think that there is anyway that Creationism or ID could ever stand up to a rigorous examination and for that reason I'd love to see them included in all classrooms. Unfortunately, it would simply generate derision. That alone would be extremely disruptive in a junior or senior high classroom setting. When you add in the ever present whatever, Ken, WILLOWTREE or Robert Byers you end up bringing studies to a halt.

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jar
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Message 233 of 245 (167268)
12-11-2004 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by RAZD
12-11-2004 9:36 PM


Re: Creationist predictions?
one benefit of the school program though is that they would not have new kids showing up through the year, so you could move on.
Depends on the district. In urban schools or those near a military base that's not the case. In those cases turnover and transfers are sporadic all year long.
edited to add spaces between words and an "n"
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