Women's Reactions to Rape

Tagless- "...if it is an issue of rape within a marriage or a boyfriend where there is consensual use of the body as well as the living space the lines become blurred."Hmm good point Tagless.Once again I see a slightly more informed side of this all important issue.

Tagless- "Women should learn hand-to-hand combat?
-So ridiculous that, you must be joking"No actually, we aren't joking in the least bit. Sorry to hear you think it is a joke when a woman is being raped that she have the skills to defend herself. After a comment like that I'm not sure if I should read your posts.If implying that self defence for women geared towards rape prevention is some kind of joke, then I'm the biggest clown around. I would hope that my solid wrestling background, boxing background, kickboxing experience, grappling abilities and submission techniques aren't a joke. If they are then why have I spent nearly 5 years dishing out money, learning and competing just so I can teach it for the cost of $50 an hour to the next person who is more than happy to pay this? 50 an hour and weeks of training is one hell of a price to pay for a good laugh. Especially when that "all so familiar" rapist comes along.Tagless- "I would argue that men should do something about it, afterall: these women represent our wives, our mothers, our daughters, our sisters."OK, so since you think that self defense is a "joke" I suppose your gonna hold her hand when she's on a date? Really what is your solution that invovles MEN? That they shouldnt do it? I think everyone here agrees that it shouldn't happen. Tell me, what examples of men are there that can successfully prevent rape?

Tagless- "My caution is women getting a false sense of security, and people thinking that the problem really is no bigger than learning self-defense."What false sence of security?
If every woman can defend herself for being raped then there is no false sense of security. I think I know what you are saying.."Men shouldn't do that sort of thing!"Trust me Tagless, I'm one of many who agrees...it's just not as simple as saying "1...2...3...makitstop!"

Tagless- "I saying as a society we need to stop treating men as victims of their own bodies and set a good example by our actions."This is indeed an incredible task. If you look at history, attitudes take a LONG time to change. I wonder how you think in what way men are supposed to change their attitude and what method is supposed to effectively cause this to occur.

BTW..I think that distrust in men is a very bad idea. I've seen women that distrust every man they come up against, and it often results in them emitting fearful vibes which makes them more of a target. Distrust is bad, it's not the same as a woman who is smart and aware of her surroundings.

crashfrog- "Yes, but I expand "self-defense" to include things like avoiding poorly-lit areas, avoiding intoxication or impairement in unsafe areas, making your friends aware of where you are, etc. In other words, being aware of our surroundings and making sure that you have options if something bad happens. Actual physical combat prowess is simply one of those options."I couldn't have said it any better myself, Crashfrog.
Self defense is more than being able to defend yourself when someone is attacking you. It is being able to react before the attack starts.
Anything from being with freinds in large numbers to shouting for help to just running can be a form of self defense.

Tagless, you are rediculous in your claim that we should all just run from eachother in distrust. Then you bash on the ability for a woman to defend herself like it's a bad thing. Seriously start making sense or just leave this forum....afterall, you don't know if you can TRUST our information.Tagless- "NO ONE, man or woman, is EVER prepared for betrayal"And your solution is what? To figure a way to make betrayal nonexistant. Your living in a fantasy.

IrishRockHound- "Perhaps it's a cultural thing. It's not "ladylike" to go to self-defense classes and learn the best way to break a man's leg in three places."Thats true. Perhaps thats exactly the same inhibition that drives Tagless in his approach to women being raped.

roxrkool- "my having martial arts training is not going to stop a man from raping me if he is bound and determined to do so. I did say learning to protect yourself is a good thing, but even that can only go so far. Even the skinniest guy is probably physically stronger than I am. Even with martial arts training, I can still be overpowered by sheer force."Intresting. Given this scenario [which I'm unsure if it is fictional or not] Have you ever studied submission wrestling? What about Judo? Perhaps you haven't heard of brazillian jui jitsu. All of these martial arts could prove useful in the secenario you just mentioned. I think that by "martial arts" you might have been talking about tae kwon do, a seriously under-effective and over-rated martial art in the U.S. Or maby karate...either way there are many ways that martial arts can become useful on the ground or in close quarters. While a gun needs to not only be ALWAYS available, the bearer of arms need to spend time TRAINING to learn how to use the tool effectively. If training is going to take place anyway it might as well be in the form of empty-handed fighting, if for no other reason than practability. Now, this scenario is a good example of how trust can develope because it is NATURAL. It is NATUARL and to exect people to live in an distrusting and ultimately UNNATURAL state is ludicrous...I continue to emphasize this point and I think many people see it my way. In fact I think roxrkool said it best:roxrkool- "I personally could not live a healthy, fulfilling life if I had to worry about being raped by every single man I meet. How would I work with men, then? How can I carry a gun and at the first inkling of threat, pull it out? How would he feel if he was only trying to kiss my neck or reaching over to take something out of the glove compartment and I pull out my gun and threaten to shoot his ass? Would YOU want to live in a world like that?"Hell no. I could imagine that, people wouldn't even bring up this topic..especially men...for fear we'd all get shot!