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AdminJar
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Message 121 of 305 (162158)
11-21-2004 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by DarkStar
11-21-2004 8:41 PM


Re: MrHambres' Request
If you would like to engage in a one on one debate all you have to do is request it. Simply propose a topic and ask that it be a Great Debate between you and whoever the other participant will be.

How pierceful grows the hazy yon! How myrtle petaled thou! For spring hath sprung the cyclotron How high browse thou, brown cow? -- Churchy LaFemme, 1950

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DarkStar
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Message 122 of 305 (163500)
11-27-2004 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by AdminJar
11-21-2004 9:48 PM


Re: MrHambres' Request
Please pass this information on to MrHambre. I am sure he will be pleased. He can then contact me and inform me of where the thread he opens for our one on one debate is located. Thanks.

The theory of evolution is a viable theory, absent the myth of macroevolution.
Once the myth of macroevolution is included, the viability of the theory of evolution vanishes as it slowly evolves into just another example of an implausible story,
nestled amongst the numerous fairytale's of our youth.-----DarkStar

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Message 123 of 305 (163706)
11-28-2004 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by DarkStar
11-05-2004 5:48 PM


Re: A Challenge
your challenge has been accepted by MrHambre ... see
http://EvC Forum: Macroevolution Debate: DarkStar vs MrHambre
this is in the Great Debate Forum so only you and MrHambre can post there.
enjoy

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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Message 124 of 305 (163712)
11-28-2004 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by RAZD
11-28-2004 3:42 PM


Not yet
It hasn't been set up yet. I think we'll let Percy do that once both sides have made clear what is actually being debated.

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Message 125 of 305 (164095)
11-30-2004 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by AdminNosy
11-28-2004 4:02 PM


Re: Not yet
I haven't seen anything from DarkStar, but if he and MrHambre would like a moderated debate then they can start as soon as they're ready. One of them should start the debate by posting a message in [forum=-25] clearly describing what is being asserted so that the two opposing positions are carefully delineated, and then making the case for his side. As soon as one of the moderators approves it, it can be moved to [forum=-8].
I recommend two moderators, JazzLover and someone else.
--Percy

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RAZD
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Message 126 of 305 (164192)
11-30-2004 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by DarkStar
11-27-2004 1:57 PM


Re: MrHambres' Request
try this link
http://EvC Forum: Macroevolution Debate: DarkStar vs MrHambre

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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DarkStar
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Message 127 of 305 (165055)
12-03-2004 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Percy
11-30-2004 9:39 AM


Re: Not yet
Percy writes:
I recommend two moderators, JazzLover and someone else.
I agree that there should be two moderators. I am not familiar with JazzLover. I will peruse JazzLovers' posts.

The theory of evolution is a viable theory, absent the myth of macroevolution.
Once the myth of macroevolution is included, the viability of the theory of evolution vanishes as it slowly evolves into just another example of an implausible story,
nestled amongst the numerous fairytale's of our youth.-----DarkStar

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Rrhain
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Message 128 of 305 (165578)
12-06-2004 7:29 AM


Adminnemooseus writes in Messge 2 of Clarification for bencip19:
quote:
I must assume that the above was intended to be a reply to a message in the What will become of marriage? topic.
No, please don't. You'd be wrong. It was a reply to Message 299 of the "Harm in Homosexuality?" thread.
quote:
Rrhain seems to have hit the "Post New Topic" button when he should have been using the "Little Red Arrow" reply button, to reply to a specific message.
Incorrect.
You will note that bencip19's post is #299 in the thread. He asked me a direct question but the thread had been closed. Rather than reopen it just for a single post, I decided to post it in a separate thread.
He hasn't deigned to respond, so I'm not asking for it to be reopened. I'm just pointing out that I'm not stupid. I know how the board works. I handily admit that I probably should have provided a link back to bencip19's post, but I was pretty sure that he would remember what it was he asked of me. It was, after all, his question.

Rrhain
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Adminnemooseus
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Message 129 of 305 (165679)
12-06-2004 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Rrhain
12-06-2004 7:29 AM


Sorry about that
It sure looked like a misplaced message to me.
The topic can be reopened, but my guess is that the points have since been covered in the "What will become of marriage?" topic.
Adminnemooseus

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spin
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Message 130 of 305 (168344)
12-15-2004 12:36 AM


Adminemooseus closed the thread ostensibly about dinos inthe bible though there are a number of important spin-off ideas that are well worth exploring.
With a flurry of posts all within an hour, occasioned by the one off-topic post and the thread was closed by Adminemooseus, who said, rather unperceptively, "I am going to take the wild guess that this topic is terminally off-topic, and/or has been resolved as best it is going to be."
Not a very perspicacious decision, given that the problem he was complaining about was in fact less than an hour old when he terminated it.
Retrojecting modern science's ideas about dinosaurs into the Hebrew bible is certainly misguided, but the evidence used to claim the right to do so is certainly interesting in itself, because we can see a common event when confronting biblical analysis, ie the reinterpretation of motifs when the original function is lost.
It is better to deal with those motifs to discover their real content rather than stifling the thread because the moderation wasn't keeping the thread on course.
Hey, folks, you're supposed to hack off thread derailments not close the thread.
Can this thread be fixed up and reopened please?

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AdminJar
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Message 131 of 305 (168348)
12-15-2004 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by spin
12-15-2004 12:36 AM


Hey, folks, you're supposed to hack off thread derailments not close the thread
There is little that can be done other than point out when posts are moving off topic. We do not generally censor any posts except spam.
It was getting redundant though as well as drifting way over the place.
If you would like to propose a continuation thread then we can give it another try.

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spin
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Message 132 of 305 (168368)
12-15-2004 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by AdminJar
12-15-2004 12:46 AM


There is no talk of censoring a thread. If posts go off topic, they can be hacked off and put in a new thread. That way you get rid of the derailment allowing those who want to continue the thread to do so, and those interested in the derailment can continue that if desired.
Understanding the background, usage and implications of the numerous biblical terms such as tehom, tannym, rahab, leviathan, behemoth, etc., is useful for when people want to misuse them in the future, as in the case of those who want to make dinosaurs out of them.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 133 of 305 (168447)
12-15-2004 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by spin
12-15-2004 1:12 AM


Re: the "Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?" topic
The topic closing message.
I'm not up to getting into a long discussion of this matter.
Yes, my moderation efforts sometimes rely on instinct.
What I will say, is that topic closure (temporary or permanent) is the only sure way of topic drift (or derailment) control. As the topic had gone already gone 200 plus messages, I thought it probably had run its productive course. Thus I was strongly leaning towards permanent closure.
It would be most helpful if the more experienced members would not give long responses to off-topic material. Topic drift control needs the input (or maybe it's sometimes the non-input) of all the participants.
Well, there you have it. Another wishy-washy Adminnemooseus message.
I suggest you propose a successor topic, to pick up where the previous one was still going good.
Of course, still open to further feedback,
Adminnemooseus
ps:
quote:
If posts go off topic, they can be hacked off and put in a new thread.
Forum policy is that we do not edit for content. Admins do not edit individual messages for content. Admins do not edit topic strings for content. Messages are not deleted. Exceptions to all this are very rare.
{Edited to change ID to admin-mode - AM}
This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 12-15-2004 10:24 AM

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CreepingTerror
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Message 134 of 305 (168527)
12-15-2004 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Adminnemooseus
12-15-2004 10:05 AM


Re: the "Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?" topic
Um, why exactly did we close down my topic? Fine, we got away from the title a bit, but I still wanted to discuss the topic we were on. Or is religious discussion not encouraged on this Forum?

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Message 135 of 305 (168571)
12-15-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by CreepingTerror
12-15-2004 12:23 PM


Re: the "Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?" topic
You and all took the topic off into Biblical inerrency. There are, as noted, threads for that.
When a topic goes way off course and no one is paying attention it is sometimes necessary to close it to emphasize to all parties that they have to apply some discipline.
There are places for the religious discussion and in particular Biblical inerrancy.
If you understand this I would be prepared to re-open the dinosaurs thread.

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