Creation DOES need to be taught with evolution

Hi David,As a fellow educator who teaches in a High School and part time at a uni, I can inform you that, in Scotland at least, that creationism is taught in schools. It is taught in Religious Studies classes because that is where it belongs, and, more to the point, the vast majority of High School students KNOW that is where it belongs.One of the problems with teaching creationism in a science class is which version of creation would you teach? I have students from four different faiths in my classes, and if a 'balanced' curriculum was ot be followed we would need to investigate every creation myth that has ever benn heard of, it is impossible and pointless. I don't know what the schools are like in America, but in my experience of Scottish schools the majority of students know that the Bible stories are taken as a belief and NOT as an attempt to accurately describe real events.Brian.

Hi BuzThe problem you have is that there is no Hebrew word for 'Sphere', unless you know of one. So, which Hebrew word is used by Isaiah for 'sphere' in your opinion?Brian.

However, creationism is a belief, it is taken on faith, studying creationism is pointless. All you are going to do is to take a massive step backwards, you will be wanting to teach kids how to walk on water next.Brian.

Maybe he lectures at Patriot?Brian.

Hi,Genesis is clearly etiological.Cheers.Brian

Hi, But they are taught in schools, I have taught seven creation myths in the last 4 years at high school. These have been in Religious Studies classes of course but this is where they belong. You cannot teach creation in science class because it is not falsifiable.Brian.

Hi,OK, let us go with your thinking, I will be happy to allow creation myths into science classes if you can tell me how a science teacher can verify or falsify the Hindu creation myth.In about five minutes (or less) time you will realise why they are taught in Religious Studies class. (hopefully)Cheers.Brian.

But science classes are for theories that can be tested and retested, that is what science is all about. Why do they do experiments in science classes? They want to show the students how an 'idea' became a theory.In high schools science classes are only allowed a certain percentage of time in the curriculum, they have enough work to get through without wasting time on fairytales that have nothing to do with science. These creation myths were written by a society that was prescientific, they contain no science.I know you mean well, and fair dues to you, but creation isnt scientific.Brian.

Hi, I don't want to keep trying to pick faults with your opinions but you need to think about what you are saying here.First, there are no scientific theories of creation, these are not theories since they cannot be falsified. To need to remember that science has to put forward a hypothesis that can be tested for reliability, if the hypothesis is the best available for the evidence at hand then it will become a theory, theories are built around observable facts. Creation stories have no way of being proven incorrect. Try it yourself, how can anyone prove that the creatin story in Genesis one be proven false? There is no way to do it. This is why it is Religious Studies classes and not science, it is a belief that has no scientific support. But what are the theories of creation? There are none that I am aware of. When you start saying 'God did it' then you are outside the realm of science.I actually think most kids are aware of the Adam and Eve story, I also think that they know it is a religious belief that can be found in the Bible.Are you aware of any science classes at sunday schools that teach the scientific theory of creation?Let us cut to the chase. Why do you think creation is only taught in Religious Studies classes? Do you think it found its way into the Religious Studies curriculum by accident?Brian.

Hiya,I dont think it is so much that the teacher will one ridiculed but the science teacher has a degree in science. To teach creation in science classes would mean retraining science teachers in philosophy and religion, and not just one religion either as many creation stories are taught in school RE classes.Once the science teacher has taught about Adam and Eve, or Purusha, or even Pan Ku, they would then have to say which creation story is accurate as these myths vary greatly in detail. As these are religious beliefs it is impossible to prove any of them wrong (or right)Science teachers have a heavy enough work load without asking them to take on any extra study that is ultimately pointless.Brian.

Hi, I am interested to know how your 'major professor' became a professor, was it by going ot school and swimming with the other fish? I think the jury is still out there! Brian.

Hi, You mean in a department other than science or religion?Don't you think it more reasonable to conclude that creation is not taught in science classes because there is no way to teach it, isn't it more reasonable to have it in religious studies classes because it is a religious belief?You are also implying that students believe that everything taught in religious studies classes is untrue, this is not the case. Students know that creationism is a belief they know it is a part of a religion's belief system. They know that people have faith that the creation by God is true, everything in religion is taken on faith.I think that it is time that you lived up to your chosen member name, you need to switch off the 'I want it so much to be true' detector and switch on the truth detector then you will realise that creation has no evidence at all, it is a myth used to explain to a pre-scientific society where we came from, and who we should be grateful to for that. You need to start detecting the truth about the Bible, it is a wonderful collection of books, but it is literature, try to read it as such and you will see that it really does not reflect very much about reality.There is no science in it, there is very very little supported history in it, and the majority of it is indeed mythological. As long as you keep taking this extremely biased viewpoint that you have when studying the bible, you will never ever detect any truth.Brian.

Evolution is taken as a fact.Creation myths are not falsifiable and are therefore pointless as anything other than an article of faith.Evolution can be falsified, so why has no one been able to prove evolution incorrect?Maybe you are capable of falsifying evolution?Cheers.Brian.

Hi Zol, Remember, if it wasn't for Scotland the rest of the world would still be living in caves and eating each other We are actually instructed to teach from a non-conversional stance. If we are found to be promoting one faith over another, including atheism, then we would be in trouble with our employers.Maybe we should go back to teaching fear of God, we must be due another Dark Age.Brian.

Hi,It appears that the fruitloops are out in force for Xmas time.