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Author Topic:   An honest answer for a newbie, please.
JJboy
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Message 1 of 125 (16316)
08-31-2002 12:13 AM


I am wondering: Where did the gasses that caused the BB originated?

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JJboy
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Message 3 of 125 (16359)
09-01-2002 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by John
08-31-2002 2:02 AM


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I think what you are really asking is what caused the BB, and the honest answer is that nobody knows. The idea of causality doesn't even apply as space and time did not exist prior to the BB. No space, no time == no causality.

Question: (It's hard to ask without sounding snotty, excuse.) Who told you that? The BB obviously had to have a cause. If it did not, then we are forced to admit that all material is infinite, which then admits that an infinite being is possible. If I understand correctly, you are saying the BB had no cause? Please clarify.
I have always understood that supercompressed gasses were the supposed cause of the BB. I geuss I am wrong
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JJboy
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Message 4 of 125 (16362)
09-01-2002 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by John
08-31-2002 2:02 AM


Mr. Moose
That wasn't very nice to close my thread, 'The Big one' Please undo it. It was such a big post I thought it deserved a new section!
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Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
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I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.
-Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

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JJboy
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Message 9 of 125 (16521)
09-03-2002 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by John
09-01-2002 8:59 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
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Stephen Hawking for one.
And how does he know? Was he there before the BB? He can only guess, same as you or me.
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Prior to the BB.... well, there was no prior because there was no space and no time. You cannot have a cause when there was no preceeding moment. Got it?

Got it. But I do not agree. So the Big Bang just happened? But I will call a truce on this, because neither you nor I can prove our point. I can not prove that the Big Bang didn't happen to you, and you can't explain that it did happen, based on these arguments.
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Science cannot reach that far back, even in theory.

But why not? It is as hard to go back 15 billion years as it is to go back 15 million years ago. It is impossible! But scientists seem to have no trouble explaining 15 million years ago. Why not 15 billion years ago?
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JJboy
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Message 11 of 125 (16527)
09-04-2002 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by gene90
09-03-2002 11:32 PM


You guys keep talking about this ample evidence. Please explain to me what this is.
Also, how do you know the BB even happened? What sort of evidence is there to support that theory? If the 'evidence' get's so tenuous at the end (or beginning, how are we to be sure the BB ever happened?
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We can extrapolate expansion back to a very compact region of space but it ends there.

So where exactly did this 'Very compact region of space' come from. make it as small as you like. contain it all in a microscopic pinhead, but we must still ask 'Where did that come from?'

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