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Author Topic:   A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)
happy_atheist
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Message 256 of 282 (164720)
12-02-2004 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by The Dread Dormammu
12-02-2004 2:55 AM


Re: Evolutionary advantage
The Dread Dormammu writes:
Chimps aren't monkeys, they are apes.
Sorry, my brain has been so overun with bad creationist arguments against evolution :S What is the difference between apes and monkeys though, it's the tail right? I should study biology

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ramoss
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Message 257 of 282 (165104)
12-04-2004 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by TheClashFan
11-27-2004 5:43 PM


You know, you can claim demons all you want.
You can not show me one demon. Demons do not exist. Demons are a myth.
Man , apparently, does not need an outside cause to be either cruel or kind to each other.
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ramoss
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Message 258 of 282 (165108)
12-04-2004 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by TheLiteralist
11-30-2004 11:45 AM


Re: Believe or Else
Well,
It seems to me that you are 'doing good' because you are fearful of the
afterlife consequences of not doing good, rather than doing good for it's own purpose.
That sort of taints the whole purpose of doing good. You are beliving in a god for selfish purposes.. and doing good for selfish purposes.
Demons were mentioned earlier. Man does not need demons to do bad. HOweve, demons are a good excuse to blame something other then himself for the harm he does others.
Get rid of the beleif in demons, and you have to accept the responsiblity for your own actions.
Get rid of the concept of heaven and reward, you can do good for it's own sake, rather than responding to the carrot and stick story.

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ramoss
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Message 259 of 282 (165109)
12-04-2004 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by LinearAq
11-30-2004 2:22 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
You have to demonstrate that the 'source of all love' is not natural processes design whose biological function is to insure offspring,and the survivial of those offspring with encouraging a stable social environment to live in.

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Deathknight
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Message 260 of 282 (165268)
12-04-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by TheClashFan
11-27-2004 5:35 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
I wished to be damned...my reason is so i don't have to be with a fanatic like you.....how many times were you tested for schitzo? I mean deamons are the ones to blame?? Man creates war and we do it to gain power and to shed blood. We are the most divine and malevolent of all beings....we are surpreme on the list. Man makes their own decisons even if the "voices" (like the things you hear about your loving false illusions) tell you to belive otehrwise. There is no being with unlimited power....there is no being that would give so much for its "minions".....I find it funny that people say how strong the influences of evil are...well then why doesn't the Devils influence man to destroy the Christain foundations...no wait...it was your God who destroyed our old Civilizations and murdered countless innocent to show that your lord cares...isn't that nice....if we don't worship your God your Zealots either torture us/chop off our hands/burn us in our homes/kill us on the spot/or so forth....where is the mercy you so frequently speak off?? Oh so your saying your followers EVOLVED in how they preach there lies? I understand you all are ignorant pawns to scythe through our anceint pagan ways to belive in one God rather than to have a variety? Why were you too stupid to remember all their names so you get pissed and make one up and kill who don't like it?? Wow what big fighters you have by slaughtering farmers by the thousands...ruined all the Nordic nations. If there trully is a Hell then it will be you that is thrown into the inferno for not accepting that there is no Holyness anywhere....and I shall be the one destroy you Celestrials by the hundreds for your crimes in our histroy....

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Morte
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Message 261 of 282 (165275)
12-05-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Deathknight
12-04-2004 11:55 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
My first instinct is to believe that this is a post from a Christian (that is, though I hate to use the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, someone who thinks he is a Christian) in an attempt to discredit the other side. My second is to believe this is some sort of joke (a bad one). Otherwise, your entire post proves you just as "fanatic" and intolerant as those you oppose. There is no worth in saying anything more to you until you can demonstrate that you can post in a coherent and constructive matter on the topic, rather than ad hom attacks and outright threats.
{Edited to add one the instincts, which was lost in editing.}
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sidelined
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From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 262 of 282 (165280)
12-05-2004 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by TheClashFan
11-27-2004 5:43 PM


TheClashFan
Some war is necessary. Again I state: HUMANS ARE STILL TO BLAME, DEMONS ARE MERELY THE CAUSE!
This is an abrogation of responsibilty for your own actions.You are responsible for your actions are you not?
belive in demons because I have seen them, and I have known their persuasion.
At last we can do a scientific investigation of demons.If you can see them this means that they are an electromagnetic phenomena since your vision responds to the 400nm to 700nm range of the electomagnetic spectrum.You can therefore photograph the same phenomena.Please do so and you can end all this debate aginst your viewpoint.Why would you not want to offer evidence?
Also remember that the president does not position the armies or set up attacks.
Such is the grotesuqe position of politicians especially those that are president or prime minister.Rather than having the balls to own up to the bad as well as the good of their decisions they sluff it off to some imaginary scapegoat {God,Nation,fate etc.}
Thus the words of a world war one poet ring true even today.
It seemed that out of the battle I escaped
Down some profound dull tunnel, long since scooped
Through granites which Titanic wars had groined.
Yet also there encumbered sleepers groaned,
Too fast in thought or death to be bestirred.
Then, as I probed them, one sprang up, and stared
With piteous recognition in fixed eyes,
Lifting distressful hands as if to bless.
And by his smile, I knew that sullen hall;
With a thousand fears that vision's face was grained;
Yet no blood reached there from the upper ground,
And no guns thumped, or down the flues made moan.
"Strange, friend," I said, "Here is no cause to mourn."
"None," said the other, "Save the undone years,
The hopelessness. Whatever hope is yours,
Was my life also; I went hunting wild
After the wildest beauty in the world,
Which lies not calm in eyes, or braided hair,
But mocks the steady running of the hour,
And if it grieves, grieves richlier than here.
For by my glee might many men have laughed,
And of my weeping something has been left,
Which must die now. I mean the truth untold,
The pity of war, the pity war distilled.
Now men will go content with what we spoiled.
Or, discontent, boil bloody, and be spilled.
They will be swift with swiftness of the tigress,
None will break ranks, though nations trek from progress.
Courage was mine, and I had mystery;
Wisdom was mine, and I had mastery;
To miss the march of this retreating world
Into vain citadels that are not walled.
Then, when much blood had clogged their chariot-wheels
I would go up and wash them from sweet wells,
Even with truths that lie too deep for taint.
I would have poured my spirit without stint
But not through wounds; not on the cess of war.
Foreheads of men have bled where no wounds were.
I am the enemy you killed, my friend.
I knew you in this dark; for so you frowned
Yesterday through me as you jabbed and killed.
I parried; but my hands were loath and cold.
Let us sleep now . . ."
"None will break ranks though nations trek from progress."
Leaders will not see the horrors that they inflict as they are blindered with whatever agenda they choose to follow and so innocent people merely wishing to live and breathe and speak their mind without fear from either their own government or those who would seek to liberate them will continue to die
But then leaders only get their leadership through we who give them the power to do so.It often does good to train the microscope of inspection upon oneself as well doesn't it?
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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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AdminJar
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Message 263 of 282 (165282)
12-05-2004 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Deathknight
12-04-2004 11:55 PM


Let's hold the rants
Nothing in your post has anything to do with the topic. Please try to stick with the subject which is...
" A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)"

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Deathknight
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Message 264 of 282 (165358)
12-05-2004 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Morte
12-05-2004 12:54 AM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
I am only fanatical about the idea of ending Christianity to stop the brainwashing before it ends our civilaztion...fools you ban anything that will try to advance us beyond you God who destroys our good ideas that could save arguments even in politics...(i.e. stop Presidents from making Christain opinions and make a fair decision) You ruined the ideology of fun in sex...you ruined the idea of cloning which can be used for labor....you ruined stim cell research that could enhance regeneration rates far far beyond the natural cycles...technology shall override your cult ways and you will no longer be needed for we shall have advancements to create fleets of ships to abandon this damned rock...look to the future instead of your book of lies and rotten deceptions....

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CK
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Message 265 of 282 (165361)
12-05-2004 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Deathknight
12-05-2004 12:51 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
Try . rather than ....
Your rant makes little sense to either the atheists,believers or anyone else here.

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Deathknight
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Message 266 of 282 (165462)
12-05-2004 6:16 PM
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12-05-2004 1:08 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
Hmmm I may be ranting but at least I am not promoting the annihilation of Civilizations...only your faith for the good of mankind and for vengence of the endless bloodshed your kind swept across Europe and the New World....

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CK
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Message 267 of 282 (165465)
12-05-2004 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Deathknight
12-05-2004 6:16 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
my kind - atheists?
Does your mom know you are posting?
That rant made even less sense than the last one?
Anyone else suspect this is a christian troll and maybe even one known to us? (hint:lots of ....'s)
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Deathknight
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Message 268 of 282 (165467)
12-05-2004 6:35 PM
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12-05-2004 6:27 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
I was saying in general not "your" kind....I am sorry if you thought that I was refering to you Athiests.....I am talking about the Christains....I do not accept that they speak of how they have done things through history where it is not traditional preaching it is an evolution in the Church....no more Inquisition to silence those who speak against them.....The X-Tain Church is just changing through a period of time to better benifit their followers THEIR MINION!!...

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Message 269 of 282 (165468)
12-05-2004 6:38 PM


TOPIC
Charles, DK, stick to the topic. This excursion has nothing to do with the thread.

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CK
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Message 270 of 282 (165474)
12-05-2004 6:45 PM
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12-05-2004 6:38 PM


Re: TOPIC
Well how about DK goes somewhere where he can get the help and support he requires?
I'm willing to be one of the people who does that.

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