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jar
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Message 125 of 189 (165377)
12-05-2004 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by PurpleYouko
12-05-2004 1:53 PM


Which parts of GR are still untested?
TTBOMK, many if not most of the predictions of GR have been tested and one of the last remaining is being tested as we speak. Which prediction or predictions were you saying are yet untested?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 151 of 189 (166220)
12-08-2004 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by PurpleYouko
12-08-2004 11:48 AM


Re: Gravity isn't the issue here
You are still left with an entirely theoretical substance which we choose to call "dark matter"
Not exactly entirely theoretical.
What we are left with is something that behaves just like normal matter related to its gravitaional force, but that we can not yet see. We also see the effect of Dark Energy. We can measure their effects, just as we measure the effects of other things we cannot see such as subatomic particles, and one day we may well figure out how to see either or both.

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jar
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Message 153 of 189 (166236)
12-08-2004 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by PurpleYouko
12-08-2004 12:13 PM


Re: Gravity isn't the issue here
This discussion isn't getting us anywhere is it?
Actually, I think it is. And I think we may be closing in on some important points.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy seem to exist. We can measure the effects of both, see evidence that they both exist.
This is similar to the destinction between Evolution and the Theory of Evolution. We can see that Evolution happened. There is simply a preponderance of evidence, so much so that Evolution is very close to being accepted as a fact. The TOE on the other hand is an attempt to explain what we see, what the evidence shows. It is something that can never be proven and someday may well be shown to be wrong and superceeded by a better explaination.
Now let's see if we can move back and tie the question of Dark Matter and Energy into the topic.
As stated above, we can see and mesure the effect of both Dark Matter and Dark Energy. Their existance, like Evolution, is supported by evidence. We are still developing theories or a theory that will explain what the evidence show. But that theory has nothing to do with the evidence.
The original topic is "Spirits and other incorporial things". Spirits, demons, ghosts, sprites and things that go bump in the night are significantly different than Dark Matter. So far, no one has ever been able to show any evidence of the existence of Ghoulies or Ghosties or Long Leggedy Beasties.
Until there is some evidence for sprites, spirits, demons of ghosts, there can be no theories related to them.

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jar
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Message 172 of 189 (166833)
12-10-2004 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by PurpleYouko
12-09-2004 2:44 PM


How to test for Ghoulies and Ghosties and Long Leggedy Beasties and...
So, describe a test for the paranormal?
I have a lab (you have a lab). How do we set up an experiment to test for the existance of UFOs?
Or sprites?
Or unicorns?

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