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Justice
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Message 136 of 264 (166970)
12-10-2004 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Legend
12-10-2004 8:18 AM


Re: Question
Justice,
how many Gods are there, according to LDS teachings?
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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
What you deem as teachings, and what is actually taught, are two different things. you can't argue that with me, I'm LDS.
it is known that there is ONE God, our Heavenly Father. Jesus Christ is also as God is. he is also therefore referred to - as God - , because he is also God, just not >GOD< God. He is the Son of God.
God gave us commandments to follow his laws. The laws of God are what makes God, >GOD<. So therefore, if Christ is telling us to become like God by following his laws, and God's laws are what make God >GOD<, then we, through repentance, and the Atonement of Christ, enter into our Redemtion, and through the Eternities, become as God >IS<.
>AS< Gods.
So therefore, there >is< ONE God. God Being the Creator of All things. But then, there are many like him. These are Called his Saints. The Inheritors of Salvation. Those that have recieved the fulness of the Glory of God, through repentance and obedience, to the laws and ordinances of his Gospel. To become as Eternal Beings as Even Christ himself, and our Heavenly Father is. They were the one's the told us to be like them. So therefore we shall. Through the Words of our Father, we will become Gods, even as he Is.
A God is not >JUST GOD<, a God is anybody who follows perfectly the Laws of God. Therefore becoming like him. Unless Christ can see his image in you even as he sees himself, you are in nowise perfect, and must needs repentance.
Repentance leads to Perfection, Perfection leads to Gods.
You Cannot Argue it, I'm LDS. You can only Accept it and pick up your cross, or deny it, and recieve ressurection unto damnation.
The Lord has Said it.
The Bible.
The Book of Mormon.
The Doctrine and Covenants.
The Pearl of Great Price.
Heavenly Father.
Jesus Christ.
The Holy Ghost.

Armaggeddon

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SoulSlay
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Message 137 of 264 (167017)
12-10-2004 4:44 PM


if you wanna know...
As an avid South Park fan, I was watching and an episode came on where a mormon family moves into South Park and Stan(one of the boys) makes firends with the mormon boy. The mormon then tells Stan about what mormonism is based on (the Joseph Smith story). Needless to say, as a South Park rendition, the story didn't seem like any sane person would ever accept it. I know it was just a South Park spoof, but the parts of the story seem to coincide with the story actual mormons tell. What makes mormons think the story is for real? or did South Park have it right, and it is crazy?

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arachnophilia
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Message 138 of 264 (167133)
12-11-2004 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Justice
12-10-2004 1:44 PM


Re: Question
Jesus Christ is also as God is. he is also therefore referred to - as God - , because he is also God, just not >GOD< God. He is the Son of God.
as a member of ben-elohym? do you interpret this group as gods, lesser gods, angels, or what?
God gave us commandments to follow his laws. The laws of God are what makes God, >GOD<. So therefore, if Christ is telling us to become like God by following his laws, and God's laws are what make God >GOD<, then we, through repentance, and the Atonement of Christ, enter into our Redemtion, and through the Eternities, become as God >IS<.
no, that can't be right, because (as i'm discussing in another thread and have discussed before) god is not bound by his own laws. rather, god is above them. god's law is for mankind alone. god himself can be seen breaking his own laws many times in the bible.
god controls when we are born and when we die. but god tells man "thou shalt not kill."

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PaulK
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Message 139 of 264 (167141)
12-11-2004 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Justice
12-10-2004 1:44 PM


Re: Question
Isn't it true that in LDS theology GOd started as a mortal human much like us ? And if so where is it stated that He was the only one to achieve Godhood ? Because if it is not there could be any number of Gods, all entirely consistent with LDS doctrine.

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Legend
Member (Idle past 5006 days)
Posts: 1226
From: Wales, UK
Joined: 05-07-2004


Message 140 of 264 (167147)
12-11-2004 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Justice
12-10-2004 1:44 PM


Re: Question
Justice writes:
What you deem as teachings, and what is actually taught, are two different things. you can't argue that with me, I'm LDS.
What I claim as LDS teachings is what is contained in LDS scripture:
KJV Bible
The BOM
Doctrine and Covenants
Pearl of Great Price
and also documented teachings of LDS apostles, like the Journal of Discourses and Articles of Faith
Are you suggesting that things are taught that contradict the above scriptures ?!
Justice writes:
it is known that there is ONE God, our Heavenly Father.
ok...
Justice writes:
Christ is also as God is. he is also therefore referred to - as God - , because he is also God, just not >GOD< God.
hang on.. you just said there is only ONE God. Now you're saying there are two? make up your mind!
Do you also believe there is a Heavenly Mother ?
Justice writes:
then we, through repentance, and the Atonement of Christ, enter into our Redemtion, and through the Eternities, become as God >IS<.
>AS< Gods.
when you say 'as' Gods what do you mean? do you mean in stature, power, glory, what ?
Justice writes:
The Lord has Said it.
Where? show me!
Justice writes:
...you can't argue that with me, I'm LDS.
well, then you'll surely know that in your church the truth is only gradually revealed. So, unless you are the living prophet, I can argue with you all I want.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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lfen
Member (Idle past 4677 days)
Posts: 2189
From: Oregon
Joined: 06-24-2004


Message 141 of 264 (167280)
12-11-2004 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Amlodhi
11-04-2003 11:27 AM


Re: Absolutes
People not only can and do fool themselves into believing that they are Spirit led, but they are also incapable of recognizing their own delusion.
Hear, Hear, Well said!
It's funny to read fundamentalist using the same apologies for differing religions and then complaining about the apologetics of the other religions. The thought processes are identical with similiar content. They can see what is wrong with the other religion views but not their own.
The thing is they represent a sizable segment of humanity and this kind of thinking will continue for quite sometime, it just seems so easy and appealing to a common modus operandi of the brain, I guess.
lfen
edited to add a dropped y changing "the" to the intended "they".
This message has been edited by lfen, 12-11-2004 10:34 PM

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lfen
Member (Idle past 4677 days)
Posts: 2189
From: Oregon
Joined: 06-24-2004


Message 142 of 264 (167283)
12-11-2004 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by mike the wiz
11-04-2003 6:11 PM


Re: Some answers
Schraff, if you believe and know God has heard you it does work (do you think I'm lying).
So do Ouija boards, etc.
I don't think you are lying, I think you are perceiving things they way you want them to be, an utterly human activity that we all engage in to varying degrees.
lfen

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1.61803
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From: Lone Star State USA
Joined: 02-19-2004


Message 143 of 264 (167302)
12-12-2004 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by SoulSlay
12-10-2004 4:44 PM


Re: if you wanna know...
If I told you a story about a woman who gave birth to a son without having sex. And this son was God. And he was betrayed and tortured and rose from the dead. Wouldnt you think that was a pretty crazy story?? Or how about what Muslums believe? or Hindus. It is ironic that everyone elses religion is the one that does not make sense.

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AdminPhat
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Message 144 of 264 (167320)
12-12-2004 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by 1.61803
12-12-2004 1:22 AM


Re: if you wanna know...
You all have some good points. Other religions DO seem strange from the vantage point of one's own.
Are we through with this old topic? If anyone wants to discuss L.D.S. theology, start a new thread. I will approve it.
Any objections to closing this one?

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Legend
Member (Idle past 5006 days)
Posts: 1226
From: Wales, UK
Joined: 05-07-2004


Message 145 of 264 (167338)
12-12-2004 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by AdminPhat
12-12-2004 5:59 AM


Pick up at the other BoM thread ?
may I suggest we pick up where we left off at this other thread: Can we trust the Book of Mormon? ?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Justice
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Message 146 of 264 (167717)
12-13-2004 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by arachnophilia
12-11-2004 5:12 AM


Re: Question
listen to what you just said.
Me: Jesus Christ is also as God is. he is also therefore referred to - as God - , because he is also God, just not >GOD< God. He is the Son of God.
You: as a member of ben-elohym? do you interpret this group as gods, lesser gods, angels, or what?
***Me: (do you think that because you used the word "elohym", that you think you know god?)
Me: God gave us commandments to follow his laws. The laws of God are what makes God, >GOD<. So therefore, if Christ is telling us to become like God by following his laws, and God's laws are what make God >GOD<, then we, through repentance, and the Atonement of Christ, enter into our Redemtion, and through the Eternities, become as God >IS<.
You: no, that can't be right, because (as i'm discussing in another thread and have discussed before) god is not bound by his own laws. rather, god is above them. god's law is for mankind alone. god himself can be seen breaking his own laws many times in the bible.
god controls when we are born and when we die. but god tells man "thou shalt not kill."
My Reply: God is a God of Righteousness, Which means that God Follows the Laws of Righteousness. God Gives us the Same laws that he Follows. God could not exist except he were to Follow laws. for if he were to follow no laws, he would be non existant, because it is laws that cause us to exist. God cannot be above his own laws, for his laws are what control and govern the universe. Because any law that he gives us is a law that he already follows, it is his will that we become as Righteous as he is. To Do as He Would. Jesus Christ has told us numerous times to Follow GOD. how can you not listen to that. Quit trying to interpret the Bible so as to sastify your carnal desires, there will be no reward for you in the end except that which you feed to yourselves, don't you understand that. Anytime God does something, he is just. If God kill's a man, it is because the man deserve's it, or it is part of certain law's of god. When God gives you a commandment to not kill innocent people (murder), he is saying, "Do not shed innocent blood, lest the Lord thy God holds thee accountable for the life of an innocent man, now, and at judgement". God has never said, "Abondon thyselves, that the murderer might slaughter thee." (basically telling you that if there is a murder amongst you, kill him, he is an enemy to life.)
your own foolishness of trying to SEE God According to YOUR Terms is Faulty. You will find yourself in the furnace that you don't even care about. quit letting satan lead your lives around while you don't even know what life is.
If God makes a commandment, you obey it.
Do not interpret God the way god has interpreted himself to you.
Do not try to satisfy Vain and Senseless desires.
Read the Bible, and do what it says, instead of trying to interpret it so that it will satisfy your own carnal and selfish lives.
God exists, despite your existance.
you will never get rid of God.
He can only get rid of you.
Ps.
How do I put text into those blue boxes that you keep putting them into?
Oh yes...
PPs.
God created man in his own image, and also to attain the same glory as him. God and man were created to live together with the same inheritance that the Lord has, Eternal Life. The only people that do not amount to God are Lucifer(Satan) and his Angels, and anyone like them.
The Bible is a great source for all of the Foundation Doctrine of the Gospel.
The Book of Mormon is a Second Witness to the Coming of the Son of Man(Christ), and a Witness that his Gospel is Truth, and that it leads to Eternal Life. The Book of Mormon is also the Second Volumn of Scripture Bringing to Men the Preperatory Gospel. The Preperatory Gospel being the Docterine that needs to be being lived by men on Earth if they ever expect to be able to see God in Heaven.
Additional Scriptures are Additional Clarification in the workings of God, and his will for his Children. Unless any Scriptures has been produced of Christ(i.e. Prophets that he has Appointed through his power and priesthood to convey knowledge through to the children of men), it is not his Doctrine.
Do not decieve yourselves.
Your Eternal Salvation is more Serious, and Preciously Valuable, then your Desires or Wishes that can be satisfied on Earth.
Quit touching yourselves, it's wicked
Quit Smoking, it's wicked
Quit doing your drugs, it's wicked
Quit Violating yourselves with strangers, it's wicked
Quit doing things that are abominable in the sight of God, it's wicked
Quit killing your unborn children, it's wicked
Quit being wicked, it's wicked.
Grow up and start walking straight in the ways of the Lord, you are wicked. You don't even listen to him when he speaks to you. He knows your hearts, and I know that he knows your hearts, and you can only be converted, or you will be going to hell. Either way, I know that I'll have Rest in him in the end, from you, and the rest of this perverted world. Satan wants you, and wishes to sift you as wheat. And as long as you keep denying the Lord's Desires, you are giving Satan what HE Desires.
You can only go to ways in this world with your decisions:
RIGHT
or
WRONG.
"Get a Clue."
Gods are Gods, Angels are Angels, but all are still the same, they have all Inherited ETERNAL LIFE! Where will you BE Going in Life?
This message has been edited by Justice973212, 12-13-2004 01:19 PM
This message has been edited by Justice973212, 12-13-2004 01:36 PM
This message has been edited by Justice973212, 12-13-2004 01:38 PM

Armaggeddon

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Justice
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Message 147 of 264 (167724)
12-13-2004 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Legend
12-11-2004 8:45 AM


Re: Question
There are many Gods, but there is only One in Charge of All of them. God.

Armaggeddon

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Justice
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Message 148 of 264 (167728)
12-13-2004 1:45 PM
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12-11-2004 8:45 AM


Re: Question
you do, then, testify to the Truth of a Living Prophet? if you do then thing will be good for you.

Armaggeddon

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Justice
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Message 149 of 264 (167733)
12-13-2004 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Legend
12-11-2004 8:45 AM


Re: Question
Also, how do you use those blue boxes to "quote" what people say?

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AdminNosy
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Message 150 of 264 (167734)
12-13-2004 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Justice
12-13-2004 1:50 PM


Blue boxes
If you want to know how someone did something use the Blue Raw text button at the bottom of their post. It shows exactly what they entered.
Also on the left side of the window when you are posting a reply is a link "UBB Code is ON". Click that and it will show you all the different things you may do to format your post.

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