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jar
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Message 42 of 51 (167431)
12-12-2004 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by jjburklo
12-12-2004 3:48 PM


Re: Detecting Design
As a Christian I have real problem with this line of reasoning. It simply makes GOD out to be a totally incompetent bungler. If, as I believe, there is a GOD, one who intuitively understands the relationship between gravity and the other forces, who could come up with something as marvelous as the universe we live in or as successful a tactic as mutation and Natural Selection, to imply that he designed some of the critters is a joke.
Look at a human. What possible sort of GOD would design such a Rube Goldberg solution, one where eyes are designed backwards, with left over pieces parts, where there's male pattern baldness and insufficient padding on elbows, knees and shins. The only possible answer is an incompetent GOD with no knowledge of biology or engineering. Further more, such a GOD suffers from both short and long term memory loss and is incapable of remembering the mistakes he's made and continues to incorporate those mistakes in each new version.
Even MicroSoft comes out with bug fixes. Is the Designer even less competent than M$?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 44 of 51 (167459)
12-12-2004 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jjburklo
12-12-2004 4:37 PM


Re: Detecting Design
I understand your point, and I've already alluded to this point before. Yes, we are imperfect on this earth. But why is that? Because we screwed up! When Adam sinned all of creation is cursed. And as time goes by and sin compounds this curse will have a greater and greater effect.
See there it gets even sillier. Are you saying that Adam's eyeballs weren't designed backwards?
Come on, now we have a designer that purposely builds in defects. Not only is he incompetent he may well be criminally liable.
I'm thankful for the curse. ...{snip}... have communion with God again.
Sorry, as a Christian I see no meaning or sense in any of that. That is all simply gibberish.
I'm assuming you believe in evolution.
No, all the evidence shows that Evolution happened. There is no belief involved. It happened.
And as a Christian I'm assuming you believe in the Bible.
Probably more than many Christians, certainly enough to know that the Genesis creation myths, the Flood myth, the story of Adam and (St}Eve, the Exodus stories and many other parts of the Bible were never meant to be taken literally.
So why go through the arduous process of "evolution"? He has no need for it. If we are His purpose for this earth, why would he wait the millions of years needed for evolution to take place to eventually form humans? There's no need for it.
Agreed. So since it did take billions of years and billions on billions of attempts, then Man is certainly not his purpose but just another critter. The only other possible explanation is that GOD is so incompetent that it took him Billions of years and Billions on Billions of attempts to finally creat ha pretty poor design.
No, if ID is true then GOD is simply a joke.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 48 of 51 (167746)
12-13-2004 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by jjburklo
12-13-2004 2:03 PM


Re: Detecting Design
As Nosy says, Off Topic for this thread but always a great idea for a topic. It's always an interesting discussion every time it's been covered and one we haven't repeated for weeks. If you'd like to explore it start a thread in Proposed New Topics and I'll see if I can get it promoted.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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