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Nighttrain
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Message 16 of 23 (167528)
12-12-2004 8:42 PM


Actually, I think I have all these qualities, but my date book is still running on empty.

  
Parsimonious_Razor
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Message 17 of 23 (167556)
12-12-2004 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Ben!
12-12-2004 8:35 PM


Re: "Online" vs. "Offline" mate selection
The main piece is his 1989 study:

Sex differences in human mate preferences: Evolutionary hypotheses tested in 37 cultures. Buss, David M.; Behavioral & Brain Sciences, Vol 12(1), Mar 1989. pp. 1-49.

This one was a little more focused:

International preferences in selecting mates: A study of 37 cultures. Buss, David M.; Abbott, Max; Angleitner, Alois; Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology, Vol 21(1), Mar 1990. pp. 5-47.

And another one for good measure, a little more recent, specific question:

Number of children desired and preferred spousal age difference: Context-specific mate preference patterns across 37 cultures. Buss, David M.; Shackelford, Todd K.; LeBlanc, Gregory J.; Evolution & Human Behavior, Vol 21(5), Sep 2000. pp. 323-331.

If you have access to univeristy searches look at papers that reference the first study. There has been a lot of discussion and follow up from the results obtained there.

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Science Blog: http://www.scienceblog.com/blogs/blog/213

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Parsimonious_Razor
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Message 18 of 23 (167578)
12-13-2004 12:01 AM
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12-12-2004 10:07 PM


Re: "Online" vs. "Offline" mate selection
I dont think there are electronic copies of the '89 study actually, I couldnt find one. If you have a hard time finding a copy let me know I can scan in my hard copy.

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Dr Jack
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Message 19 of 23 (167638)
12-13-2004 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Asgara
12-12-2004 4:45 PM


One thing psychology will tell you is that what people say, and what they actually do, are rather different matters.

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Ben!
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Message 20 of 23 (167720)
12-13-2004 1:28 PM
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12-13-2004 12:01 AM


Re: "Online" vs. "Offline" mate selection
P_R,

I thought I responded to this message, but apparently not.

I did find David Buss' homepage, where he has numerous free publications. As you mentioned, the '89 article is not available.

At this point, there's lots to read; if I ever find a need for the '89 article, I'll let you know. But for now, I've got more than I can handle already

Thanks again for all of the info.

Ben


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KOSR
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Message 21 of 23 (173051)
01-02-2005 1:33 PM


It's amazing at what is going on beneath the surface when dealing with sex.

Women are 5 times as horny when ovulating! Will they be freaked out if you would ask them? "Hey honey, when are you ovulating?" Hmm, could try it out sometime.

These complexities in humans are a signal for me that at least some kind of evolution has taken place.

I don't have much more to contribute, I do know books that go into deep detail about this:

The Mating Mind : How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature by GEOFFREY MILLER
The Red Queen : Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature by Matt Ridley
The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating by David M. Buss
Sperm Wars: The Science of Sex by Robin Baker
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

Supposedly 99% of all sperm are warriors and only 1% are elite egg-getters. So the battle takes place INSIDE the female. So even if she cheats with a bodybuilder high testosterone guy he still needs to battle the boyfriends sperm. She can't loose :)

One of these books claim that 10% of the world population has a different father than that they think they have. Infact 10% on this forum has a different father :) My brother is really dark, just doesn't make sense. Hmm, better leave this alone.

I don't believe our brains have evolved merely for sexual ornamentation. Than means whatever you do it's directly linked to sex. Just don't believe that.

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Message 22 of 23 (175576)
01-10-2005 4:40 PM


Thread moved here from the Biological Evolution II forum.

  
EZscience
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Message 23 of 23 (208404)
05-15-2005 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parsimonious_Razor
11-21-2004 7:11 PM


Evolution of mate choice criteria
The concepts presented are interesting and entirely plausible.
Reading the replies (some more resistant to the concept than others) I would like to point out what I feel is an important distinction to recognize.

One of the problems in dealing with evolutionary explanations for behavior, *especially* human behavior, is that people forget to make the distinction between the underlying selective advantages that may have shaped patterns of expression of the behavior in the population, and the actual *motivation* for behavior in individuals.
One has nothing at all to do with the other.

Although the various fitness pay-offs for female infidelity are definitely real evolutionary forces, they are never the motivating force in the mind of a woman when she makes such decisions.
The evolutionary forces can only act on heritable components of the behavior without any inherent determinism with respect to its expression.
They can only serve to increase disposition to certain types of activity in very subtle, indirect, and unconscious ways.
There is no need for conscious reasoning or awareness of any sort on the part of the individual for evolution to work.

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