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crashfrog
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Message 211 of 222 (168219)
12-14-2004 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 4:41 PM


Jar, you have to be just the most repulsive person on the earth to sit there and make the claim that you are a christian but then support evolution; it is spitting in the face of God, to go as far as to say His word
Oh? You're so sure it's His word? Did you ask him? Or did you just trust what the book says about itself? That's pretty credulous, don't you think?
Nonetheless, as far as "repulsiveness" goes, you've already demonstrated that you're a far more repulsive, intolerant person than Jar, in this very statement alone.
since evolution has been introduced to our soceities it has spread like cancer
I would say that, like science in general, it spreads more like an antidote - undoing the damage caused by religion and dogmatic thinking over the past 1500 years.
even though the Senate has ruled it to be a religion
That's a flat-out lie.
which I believe to be true, as does any Christian who honestly believes in Christ.
There we go again. Nothing about belief in God mandates a belief in the Bible. Those are two separate articles of faith. Anyone can write a book and say "God wrote this" on the first page; they'd wind up with about as much evidence that their book was the "word of God" as you have for the Bible.
Like I said I maybe really inexpierence with the world, but from what you have demonstrated it is not something I am looking forward to...
Well, then, retreat back into your little church, and bury your nose in your little bible. If you can't handle the fact that someone might come to entirely reasonable conclusions about the evidence put before them, then, quite frankly, the rest of us out in the world can do without you. You don't know the first thing about Jar, but you're already sure that he's an amoral abortionist kiddie-raper simply because he offered his opinion on scientific matters. Why don't you look up what your book says about judging people?

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crashfrog
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Message 212 of 222 (168222)
12-14-2004 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 5:46 PM


yah ruled a religion in 1961 Torcaso v Watkins:
The Senate does not rule on judicial proceedings. This decision was by the Maryland Court of Appeals, not the US Senate.
What does Secular Humanism teach when concerning creation of the universe
As a secular humanist, let me tell you that the answer is "absolutely nothing."
Unlike your religion, which can't keep its nose out of matters that it is distinctly unequipped to investigate, secular humanism is a fairly narrow series of statements about how people are supposed to live. It has no origin stories whatsoever, and mandates no particular belief in any doctrinal points about the nature of the universe, or whatever.
Evolution is science, not secular humanism. These words are not synonyms.
So if it is so wrong to teach the Bible in schools how can we teach evolution?
We do teach the Bible in schools - in both English literature classes (being as it is a very important piece of literature to the English-speaking world) and comparative religions classes. Where it doesn't belong is in a science classroom. Evolution, being science, does belong.
We don't teach music in mathematics courses; we don't teach first aid in sociology courses; we don't teach religion in science courses. It really is just that simple.

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Message 213 of 222 (168225)
12-14-2004 6:11 PM


Head Back towrds the subject folk
This is about whether there are Dinosaurs in the Bible, not about jar or even the many lies being taught in too many Christian schools these days.

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jar
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Message 214 of 222 (168230)
12-14-2004 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 4:41 PM


FireHazard
Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing in your post that is related to the topic (or really anything even worth a response). But I have a feeling that you're a nice little kiddie and would be happy to try to help you.
One of the first things I'd suggest, is that you try to learn punctuation. Without that there is little chance you will ever be able to convince anyone of anything. Things like paragraphs also help as does sentence structure. I understand they many not have covered such things in your school yet but even most of the jokes they call Christian Schools eventually get around to such basics. Perhaps when you get to the fourth grade they'll cover them.
If you would like to start a thread called "Jar is not a Christian" or "Jar is the most repulsive person on the earth" I'll try to pull some strings with the management to get them promoted.
But outside that I imagine you have little recourse here.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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crashfrog
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Message 215 of 222 (168231)
12-14-2004 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by jar
12-14-2004 6:26 PM


Jar I have to say that I think this is bad form. It's bad enough that admins are allowed to participate as normal people in threads that they administer, but slapping the guy down as both an admin and youself doesn't seem sporting. And I think it's asking a lot of people to draw the distinction between admin and normal "modes", when a lot of the admins seem to blur that distinction whenever possible. (I appreciate that MrHambre seems to avoid this behavior.)
I know all us regulars play along with Minnemooseus's lead and pretend like the admins are like separate personalities, and we do so because we're all on friendly terms, but I think it's asking too much to expect the new people, especially the new creationists, to just jump in and play along, as though the convention was so brilliant as to be obvious.

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Fire_Hazard
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Message 216 of 222 (168232)
12-14-2004 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by crashfrog
12-14-2004 6:01 PM


Just because the public schools tell kids to capatilize the words God and Bible does not mean they teach the Bible, as for the fact that I have no proof of the Bible I will tell you that I have checked it and can give you facts proving the Bible:
We have put the Bible through 3 important tests of to prove historical reliability,
1.The Bibliographical Test
2.The Internal Evidence Test
3.The External Evidence Test
Bibliographical-
Good rule of thumb is when you are dating manuscripts the closer you get to the original the more accurate. We have 24,633 surviving manuscripts of the Bible, using these we can recreate all but of eleven verses of the New Testament and guess what they match.
Internal-
Just like when a person is accused of a crime, the document is question is considered innocent of Historical Inaccuracies until proven guilty. The fact that the Bible was written primarily by eye witnesses helps add to its Historical evidence, especially since all the accounts match and do not contradict. Plus these men were willing to die for what they wrote, give me a writer today who is willing to die for what he believes bet Dan Brown wouldnt despite the controversial subjects discussed in his books?
External-
During this test you are trying to find some outside group or manuscript that confirms the document in concern, in this case the Bible: Back in the first century heretics, who would definetly be considered an outside group when it comes to the Bible, could not question the reliabilty of the sciptures.
Now this basically covers your New Testament, and do not think because of lack of manuscript evidence for Old testament that it is untrue, Because there were things in placed that protected the O.T. from being perverted: I.E. scribes, back before they were able to print documents, were forbidden to write anything from memory, and if a single mistake was found from their copy to the original text it was burned. More so the Dead Sea scrolls which date back to 125 B.C. was a copy of the book or Isaiah and guess what they matched.
Keep in mind the above proofs dont even begin to get in to Messianic prophecy! So tell me again how the Bible is untruest worth...cause then if need be I can show you examples of Biblical truths. Oh and please show me where the Bible is contradictory because that is one thing I would love to see?

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Message 217 of 222 (168233)
12-14-2004 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by crashfrog
12-14-2004 6:31 PM


That's why I made the Admin post a general one and not to him. I am reminding you and the others to stay on topic. Any Admin slapping was aimed at all of you who are pulling this thread off topic. That includes you, sir.

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 218 of 222 (168234)
12-14-2004 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by AdminJar
12-14-2004 6:34 PM


That's why I made the Admin post a general one and not to him.
Again, a distinction that we as friends might play along with, but why would you expect him to?
I guess that, as an Admin, I would expect to be held to a standard that includes not just avoiding scandal, but avoiding arguably legitimate behaviors that might be interpreted as scandalous. After all it doesn't keep a thread on topic if the admins are doing things that stimulate the creationists to complain.
I'm not saying that you're abusing your admin powers to dominate a discussion. But you're perilously close to appearing to do so. But, you know, take it or leave it. Just wanted to let you know as a friend.

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Amlodhi
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Message 219 of 222 (168236)
12-14-2004 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 6:33 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Fire_Hazard
We have 24,633 surviving manuscripts of the Bible, using these we can recreate all but of eleven verses of the New Testament and guess what they match.
Match what?
Amlodhi

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crashfrog
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Message 220 of 222 (168237)
12-14-2004 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 6:33 PM


Off-topic; these are better suited to the biblical inerrancy forums.
I'd ask you to take them there, but don't bother - none of these are legitimate means for discerning information about what is real and what is not. That you have an accurate copy of a lie doesn't make the lie a truth. Lies are not assumed to be true simply because they are hard to disprove - the exact opposite is true, in fact. Documents are considered "guilty" (or suspect) until they are substantiated, because he who asserts must prove. (And, in fact, none of the Bible was written by eyewitnesses. Absolutely none of it.) And the willingness of people to die for something proves nothing; every religion has its martyrs, and even atheists have died for what they believed.

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AdminJar
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Message 221 of 222 (168244)
12-14-2004 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Amlodhi
12-14-2004 6:41 PM


OT warning.
Let's try to keep it on the topic,ie: Dinos in Bibleland.

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Message 222 of 222 (168248)
12-14-2004 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Fire_Hazard
12-14-2004 6:33 PM


Off-topic, but the makings of a new topic - Also, shutting this topic down
The content of Fire_Hazard's message 216 is very off-topic here, but has the makings of a new topic. I suggest s/he submit some variation of the message as a new topic at the "Proposed New Topics" forum.
I am going to take the wild guess that this topic is terminally off-topic, and/or has been resolved as best it is going to be.
Closing topic.
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