Why I am creationist

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We've heard this over and over.

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That's why I think you are stubborn

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And science typically proceeds by inference to the best explanation.

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That isn't really proper though. WE, not science, proceed by inference to the best explanation. And, some of us think the best explanation is that some creator made all this, some of us think that we just happened. We have different "best explanations." It is all opinion.

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Evolution is still the best explanation for biogeography, for the nested hierarchy of traits that taxonomy is based on and for the extinct life forms we find in the fossil record.

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That is a subjective opinion, not a scientific one. And, consequently, that is the thing to debate, what is the best explanation, not whether or not Christians can practice science.

I am pretty sure Creationists have walked through it on this site before. And I'll also wager that they are relegated to un-scientists with unscientifically viable explanations. But, just the same, if you are really, truly interested in why I think the whole of scientific data in general suggests a creator, I am willing to post an abbreviated statement here.

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Because Macro-evolution is simply the accumulation of micro-evolution. It is only the figment of Creationist minds.

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I suppose it would be fitting for me to be clear about what I think science does not suggest: Goo to You evolution.See, we are debating something purely historical here. We are debating whether humans evolved from crap. Whether or not species evolve isn't even the issue. The issue is whether something happened a certain way in the past. You maintain that it does. Your scientific experiments don't really suggest crap to man evolution. Our current observations do suggest speciation and survival of the fittest though, so I'll give you that.

OK, but I really feel like I am wasting my time explaining anything outside of the published scientific papers realm around here.

OK, I'll begin by commenting generally on the reasons positted in message 3 of said thread.First let me say I believe it starts with a question of what we trust. I trust the Bible as trustworthy and many scientists here trust published scientific papers about fossil records as trust worthy. Either or both could theoretically be riddled with lies or false assumptions that led to an avalanche of more false assumptions.

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For the first I'd say that the fossil record, the order of it and the relation between different parts of it is very convincing that evolution has occured.

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I am not convinced that the fossil record is accurately interpreted as some scientists interpret it when they consider lower layers as older higher layers as newer and everything in between creating a nice continuum of age. I find the reports of what is found where to be riddled with dishonesty in some cases, and it leads me to believe that anybody positing the theory could be either dishonest or genuinely unaware of the truth. Why? Because I think the Bible is trustworthy. More so than secular scientists.

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For the second, the correlation between the DNA of living things and the relationships shown in the fossil record is a very convincing reason to say that the theory of evolution is, in fact, the way in which the developments we see occured.

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This is clearly subjective analysis of the data, and because I think the Bible is more trustworthy than secular scientists, I believe that truth is either misrepresented, or there is a way to explain what is in a way that does not conflict with the Bible.

It's pretty simplistic unfortunately.I think that the whole of scientific observation has shown things decay and become more chaotic. The two theories are...1. A creator made us and the world complete and perfect and we have witnessed decay over time2. We and other things have become more orderly and sofisticated over time.Option one just makes more sense to me. Sorry.

In fact, I'll be perfectly honest, I think the fact that people think such a complicated and ordered universe as ours could have come from a bang and some hydrogen (or whatever the theory is) is the most ludicrous illogical conclusion to make from scientific observation that I could possibly imagine!!

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If you can't actually say what the theory is, then how do you know it's ludicrous and illogical?

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Sorry, I can't keep up with popular science's latest changes on what they think happened. My fault.

I have plenty of reasons. Just no evidence beyond the beauty of the world.

I'm not sure I understand Charles.

Nosy,Someone has got to step into this place every now and again and try to wake you guys up. God says you are without excuse. He uses sinful losers like me to sufficiently remind you that He is out their calling for you to recognize His omnipotence.

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Well if logic leads you to belive that the universe was created - it must have created itself, right? The only other logical position is that it had a creator who had a creator who had a creator....

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Ahh.

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But if no man comes to God unless the Spirit draws them, no amount of logic will ever convince a scientist to refute their belief in logic. Theologians should stay away from science. It is like parents going to a rap concert and acting cool. To convince anyone in this forum that there is a Creator, you must attempt to get to know them, get along with them, and trust that the Spirit will draw them towards Him. No amount of logic will ever supercede the established science of our current time.(Unless it is better science, not theological stew.)

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Yes, I think that is true. And, we have:1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.I think an appeal to spiritual things are discerned by the spirit. So, if the Spirit draws someone, they will discern a spiritual message. i.e., scientists where are being drawn by the Spirit do not need scientific arguments, they will be drawn with spiritual arguments if God is calling them to Him.But, just the same, I should apologize to everyone for being a jerk. I can certainly do a better job of being Christlike.