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Author Topic:   Where did the Egyptians come from ?
halcyonwaters
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Message 107 of 112 (15850)
08-21-2002 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by John
08-21-2002 8:38 AM


quote:
I am not misreading. I am pointing out that your logic is flawed.

You said I said the following three things:

#1 Verses in the Bible support ES
#2 Verses in the Bible contradict #1
#3 No verses in the Bible contradict

Obviously those three statements contradict each other, but I never said #2. So yes, you are definitely misreading.

quote:
uhhh.... you mean like the notes of the people who actually did the editing? We have those, in some cases.

Pay attention to word choice. If you're going to say the Bible has overwhelming evidence of extensive editing: Define your Terms and show Evidence; not generalizations. "We have notes in some cases," is very obscure and could mean anything.

David


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John
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Message 108 of 112 (15887)
08-21-2002 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by halcyonwaters
08-21-2002 12:23 PM


quote:
Originally posted by halcyonwaters:
quote:
I am not misreading. I am pointing out that your logic is flawed.

You said I said the following three things:

#1 Verses in the Bible support ES
#2 Verses in the Bible contradict #1
#3 No verses in the Bible contradict

Obviously those three statements contradict each other, but I never said #2. So yes, you are definitely misreading.


OK.

Back in post #96 you stated:

quote:
All verses fit with Eternal Security. Many verses do not fit with maintaining or losing salvation.

I responded with:

[quote]
Many verses do not fit with maintaining one's salvation. This implies that some verses DO NOT FIT, but are nonetheless present?[/b][/quote]

To which I got no denial, so I assumed that the statement was acceptable. Hence, a contradiction. So the fair question becomes, are there any verses which support an alternate interpretation?

quote:
Pay attention to word choice. If you're going to say the Bible has overwhelming evidence of extensive editing: Define your Terms and show Evidence; not generalizations. "We have notes in some cases," is very obscure and could mean anything.

You are right. I have been working long hours and have not been citing sources as I should.

A very interesting source concerning the KJV is this:

http://www.tegart.com/brian/bible/kjvonly/qere.html

You'll note such things as "Many times, the KJV-translators translated from the 'qere' (the marginal note in the Masoretic text) rather than the 'ketic' (the actual text itself).

Also note that the site is a Christian site, the author arguing not that the Bible is false but that it has been sloppily translated.

Another one concerning the KJV:

http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm

Or this on the Masoretic text:

http://www.geocities.com/jim_bowery/elohim.html

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axial soliton
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Message 109 of 112 (16282)
08-30-2002 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peter
06-06-2002 10:39 AM


This is not exactly about where the Egyptians came from, but it is associated because it calls into question the 4004 BCE date. I am wondering if a creationist can come up with an explanation of how animals came to be domesticated since the physical evidence says that happened before the Egyptians built the pyramids and before 4004 BCE. Nothing about how goats, for example, were domesticated is mentioned in the Bible. There are many references to obtaining their blood for various purposes, burning them in sacrifice, eating them, trading them for wives, etc., but nothing about how men came to be goat herders or goats became domesticated.
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/kjv2www?specfile=/texts/english/religion/kjv/kjv-pub.o2w&grouping=match&docs=text&query=goat&sample=1-100&id=KjvGene

So, according to the bible, goats came into being already domesticated and people came into being already knowing how to use goats. How does the mystical approach explain this?


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Peter
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From: Cambridgeshire, UK.
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Message 110 of 112 (16480)
09-03-2002 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by axial soliton
08-30-2002 1:52 AM


I'm not a creationist, but I think in the Bible God
created the domesticated animals for Adam, and sent them
to Eden for naming.

One can only presume that he also supplied technical manuals


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axial soliton
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Message 111 of 112 (16671)
09-05-2002 4:23 PM
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09-03-2002 9:29 AM


Thanks. I hope your response gave others a hearty laugh, too!

[This message has been edited by axial soliton, 09-05-2002]


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Peter
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Message 112 of 112 (17047)
09-10-2002 2:42 AM
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09-05-2002 4:23 PM


That was the intent
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