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Wounded King
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Message 29 of 45 (170657)
12-22-2004 5:04 AM
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12-22-2004 4:59 AM


Why cross-post/spam this over several threads? Why not just post it on one thread?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 30 of 45 (170661)
12-22-2004 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Wounded King
12-22-2004 5:04 AM


Since the other thread has just been closed I'll repost my response here.
the Multiverse is defined to be an unbound infinity of all possible worlds
You may choose to define it that way, but it is by no means the only possible definition. The set of all possible worlds need not be infinite, and even if it were then the existence of God would still have to be shown to be possible for what you propose to be true. Also, a God who requires an infinite multiverse to allow his existence seems less than omnipotent.
hence there is the explanation of randomness and probability distributions, which ultimately lead to absurdities[infinities],
Since you are using infinities as the key stone of your argument for God existing it is perhaps rash of you to dismiss them as absurd. Why should a study of probabilistic phenomena neccessarily run in to problems with infinities, probabilities need only range between 0 and 1, are you trying to apply some form of Xeno's paradox here?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 33 of 45 (170665)
12-22-2004 5:38 AM
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12-22-2004 5:27 AM


If the probability space of all possible worlds is not infinite then what are your defined "limitations" for the finite space of possible worlds with some worlds that are not possible?
Well what sort of limitations are you thinking of, It would depend a lot on exactly what sort of multiverse you are talking about, I had assumed that you meant something along the lines of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, is this not the case. In terms of the many world interpretation the the limitations would be defined by whatever the probability distribution of the initial start of the universe was. For all I know it may well be that the singularity, as a possible staring point, did have an infinite range of probable outcomes, but there is no reason to just assume that that is the case, which is what you do. Whatever physical laws governed the origin of multiverse would be what sets the limitations for the probability space the multiverse can explore. You may choose to believe that an intelligence organised those laws, but there seems to be no evidence to support that, and certanly none provided by your argument.
The argument is not that God exists, but that an intelligent factor, not necessarily an infinite one, is the basis for the existence OF the universe.
This particular universe? The multiverse? Or just some universe somewhere in the manifold? As the other poster pointed out the thread which was closed, somewhere in the universe there may be entitities with the neccessary technology to produce new universes, does that make them gods? If humankind discovered how to initiate the development of a new universe would that mean that we were gods?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 35 of 45 (170676)
12-22-2004 7:04 AM
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12-22-2004 6:16 AM


It appears that spontaneous symmetry breaking in the early universe, only works for infinite space
At this point you make a lot of claims whose veracity I am not able to evaluate immediately, could you perhaps provide some references to the relevant scientific papers so I could evaluate the evidence?
The hypothesis is for intelligent design, not for imaginary "gods"
Well then perhaps you shouldn't have started off by talking about God, if that wasn't what you were wanting to discuss.
TTFN,
WK

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