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Hanno,I'm not sure what it is that you wish to debate, it certainly does not appear to be related to dates and dating. Perhaps faith and belief, or is it science would be more appropriate forums for statements such as :

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("I believe the entire Bible is inspired by God, and therefore the knowledge is eternal and complete. Science, on the other hand, is limited knowledge, that could very well be made obsolute by new discoveries.").

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[Those are the ones that can actually be proven: relitivity, quatum phyics, etc. Not ones which include speculation, presented as facts. Those which you can actually apply to every day live (Ok, ok, so I like astronomy too. What of it?)]

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Proven ? (BTW, I like astronomy too.)I would not know how to classify :

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First there was Nazism, then there was Communism, now there is Evolutionism.

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And don't you have this backwards ? Should not the order be : evolution (Darwin) 1830s, communism (Russian Revolution @1917), Nazism (Hitler 1930s and 1940s). I do not understand how you compare a scientific theory with forms of government, apples and oranges.

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Evolusion is becoming so unbelievable now, that some EVOLUSIONISTS now propose that live must have been planted by aliens, because it appeard to soon on earth.

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Would you document this please ? Who are the evolutionists ? What are the aliens ?

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If you are an atheist, you have no bussiness to be here anyway.

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I am not an atheist, but this IS an open forum. I personally think Mammuthus makes excellent points.

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You can at least credit me for being a little bit more open minded than the average creationist

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I'm afraid I've never met an *average* creationist, so no, I can't give you credit.Not your quote Hanno but -

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I would not take the bet that you know more about science than Joe knows about religion.

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I suggest you take this advice very seriously.Clear Skies !Frank

Hi Hanno,I'm still wondering about your statement concerning life being brought to earth by aliens. Is this something you would like to retract and forget about ?Clear Skies !Frank

No problem at all Hanno.The only actual evidence I am aware of for extraterestial life (and I understand it is not conclusive, and certainly not meant to infer the origin of life on this planet) is a meteorite found in Antarctica a number of years back. You can learn more about it at :http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.htmlHave fun here andClear Skies !Frank

Hanno,Some of your points have already been addressed by others and I will attempt not to repeat them.

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Evolution today is forced down our troughts, whether we like it or not,

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Care to cite some examples ? Have you been threatened to be sent to a gulag ?

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Astronomy, on the other hand, will one day become very useful when we start colonizing other planets.

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I think astronomy has been *very* useful for quite a long time. Do you disagree ?

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I'm a programmer. If someone who doesn't know a thing about computer languages come and randomly change something in my code, the chance is 99.999999999999999999999% that it will case an error. Now the human gene is a billion times more complex than my computer programs. What is more, unlike my program, each gene control many parts of the body. So in the very rare occurance that a gene has a positive change, it will also have quite a few negative effects. The overall efect will be negative.

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I work with computers too. I can see a very big difference between computer code and living organisms. I think you compare apples to oranges.

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Why is there not a single shred of evidence of a transitional form, both today or in the fossil records? I know that the newest theory says that evolution happens in leaps, but surely not within a single generation? Then with all the millions of changes there was in animals, surely some of those must have been preserved? Surely, at the very least there sould be one?

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Archaeopteryx for one. What qualities must a "transitional" have and why ?Gotta run now.Clear Skies !Frank