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derwood
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Message 25 of 147 (17092)
09-10-2002 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Fred Williams
08-27-2002 7:11 PM


Oh Good! Williams is back form his hiatus.
Hopefully, he will retiurn to the threads he left dangling rather than simply engage in his ad hominem assaults on everyone that disagrees with his layman's grasp of evolutionary biology and his relaianbce upon repeated assertion in lieu of actual positive evidence for his postion.
Here are a sprinkling of the threads that Fred left, only to return to a new thread, often bringing up the same tripe:
http://EvC Forum: Why can creationists give straight answers? -->EvC Forum: Why can creationists give straight answers?
http://EvC Forum: Page's misuse of Haldane's Dilemma -->EvC Forum: Page's misuse of Haldane's Dilemma
http://EvC Forum: Give your one best shot - against evolution -->EvC Forum: Give your one best shot - against evolution
http://EvC Forum: Information and Genetics -->EvC Forum: Information and Genetics

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derwood
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Message 26 of 147 (17097)
09-10-2002 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Fred Williams
09-09-2002 7:48 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Fred Williams:
LOL! Erik, you asked some good questions to start this thread, and here we are a month later and all the evolutionists here *still* have not provided the evidence you requested.
Fred,
I am not sure why you - of all people - are 'loling' this.
You were asked probably dozens of times MORE THAN A YEAR AGO to provide citations - even one! - that supported your creationism fairy tale regarding "non-random mutation". Your pitiful excuse then was that you were working on some sort of 'article' and didn't want to give away your best points, or some such nonsense.
Now, more than a year later - No article, no citations.
I wonder who should be doing the "LOLing"?

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derwood
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Message 27 of 147 (17099)
09-10-2002 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Fred Williams
09-09-2002 8:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Fred Williams:
The Creation model, on the other hand, would be falsified by a Darwinian gradualistic fossil record. Clear-cut lineages showing large-scale evolution would falsify creation.
Considering the fact that the creationism myth posits all extant diversity to have originated within the few thousand years since the mythological flood, WHERE ARE THE CLEAR-CUT LINEAGES SHOWING ALL OF THIS VARIATION?
It seems to me that it would be far easier for the creationist to produice fossil evidence for their version of reality that the evolutionist, considering the fact that time wreaks havoc on all evidence.
quote:
But honest scientists know this has not happened:
One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin’s predictions [gradualism]. Nor is the problem a miserably poor record. The fossil record simply shows that this prediction is wrong. — Eldredge & Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution, 1982, p45-46
Funny - it appears that this quote is form a book on human evolution, not evolution in general. It is also 10 years old. Tell us Fred - what creationist quote-mining source did you get that from? It is highly doubtful that you read it yourself, just as was the case with the Kimura papers and such that you simply lifted quotes from ReMine's book ( a book that I have shown is less than forthcoming on its quoting and referencing).
quote:
The Cambrian explosion denoting the almost simultaneous emergence of nearly all the extant phyla of the Kingdom Animalia within the time span of 6-10 million years can’t possibly be explained by mutational divergence of individual gene functions. - Susumo Ohno, The notion of the Cambrian pananimalia genome, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA: Vol 93, No 16, 8475-78, August 6, 1996.
I guess Williams the paleontologist has never heard of the Precambrian period.
Or much else, by the looks of it...

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derwood
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Message 35 of 147 (17164)
09-11-2002 11:15 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Fred Williams:
LOL! Erik, you asked some good questions to start this thread, and here we are a month later and all the evolutionists here *still* have not provided the evidence you requested.
Fred,
I am not sure why you - of all people - are 'loling' this.
You were asked probably dozens of times MORE THAN A YEAR AGO to provide citations - even one! - that supported your creationism fairy tale regarding "non-random mutation". Your pitiful excuse then was that you were working on some sort of 'article' and didn't want to give away your best points, or some such nonsense.
Now, more than a year later - No article, no citations.
I wonder who should be doing the "LOLing"?

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derwood
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Message 47 of 147 (17267)
09-12-2002 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Fred Williams
09-11-2002 7:35 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Fred Williams:
quote:
You were asked probably dozens of times MORE THAN A YEAR AGO to provide citations - even one! - that supported your creationism fairy tale regarding "non-random mutation".
This is not true and a clear misrepresentation. I was asked far more than dozens of times. I have now been asked this by you 536 times. Dozens would be around 24-36, 48 tops. You're an order of magnitude off.

Of course it is a misrepresentation. I greatly overestimated your ability to support your claims...
And we will notice that you still cannot support your creto-genetics pipe dreams...
But that will not stop you from repeatedly asserting it, will it?

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derwood
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Posts: 1457
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Message 70 of 147 (21267)
11-01-2002 12:40 PM


Nah... He's just in a post-and-run flurry.
when the heat gets turned up, he will all of a sudden have company or get really busy at work...
Just like always...

  
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