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Tal
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Message 1 of 11 (172682)
01-01-2005 4:52 AM


There is a prophecy in the Old Testament which tells us when Israel would become a nation again after being scattered throughout the world. The prophecy is a simple math problem (Part one written by Moses, Part two by Ezekiel). When the simple math problem is worked out, our answer is May 14th, 1948.
In Leviticus chapter 25, God told His people to plant crops 6 years, let the land rest 1 year, a sabbath for the land.
In Leviticus chapter 26, God promises blessings for obedience, but He also warns them for disobedience. When you get to the 18th verse, He said He would punish them 7 more times if they do not hearken unto Him. Let me explain this part.
If a judge gives John Doe 4 years in jail, but allows him to come out on probation after 2 years because he hearkened unto the judge's word. John's time would be fulfilled in 2 years. But if he did not hearken unto the judge's word, when the first 2 years are complete, he would not be granted probation. The judge would take the remaining 2 years & multiply that by 7. Now John has 14 years left to finish his sentence.
When the nation of Israel had a chance to listen to God, they didn't. He took the remainder of the sentence & multiplied it by 7.
In 606 BC, the nation of Babylon was appointed by God to conquer and overthrow the Israelites. This is where their sentence begins. They would be in bondage for 70 years before their probationary time would begin. (II Chronicles 36:21, Daniel 9:2, Jeremiah 29:10)
They did not let the land rest every 7th year for a total of 490 years. A total of 70 Sabbaths for the land to rest. (Lev 25:1-4)
The total length of time was revealed to Ezekiel in the 4th chapter, verses 4-6. He was instructed to lie on his left side 390 days for the house of Israel then on his right side 40 days for the house of Judah. The end of verse 6 tells us that one day equals one year.......
390 + 40 = 430 days
one day = one year
430 total years of bondage to Gentile nations (Jail Sentence).
We begin our calculations in the year 606 BC
606 BC - 70 = 536 BC.. In 536 BC their probationary period would begin and would end in the year 176 BC if they would have listened to God. Only 4% to 7% did (Ezra lists the families who hearkened unto the Lord & went home, the rest stayed in Babylon). They did not listen to God, and in 536 BC, God multiplied the remainder by 7.
430 - 70 = 360 yrs 360yrs x 7 = 2,520 yrs
Now the nation of Israel would have to wait another 2,520 yrs before they be free...one problem, we have to convert from Biblical yrs to calendar years.
The calendar God uses only has 360 days to a year (Lunar years, from new moon to new moon). The calendar we use today has 365 days, 1 extra day every 4 years, Leap year (this is commonly known as the Julian calendar).
THE CONVERSION :
2,520 yrs X 360 days = 907,200 days
Now divide 907,200 days by 365.25 yrs
Total calendar yrs = 2,483.77
2,483.77 - 536 BC = 1947.77
Note: The years 1 BC - 1 AD were counted as 1 year instead of 2 yrs, therefore; we need to add 1 year to our calculations.
1947.77 + 1 = 1948.77
The Jewish New Year is Rosh Hashanna and falls in September or early October (it depends on the moon).
.77 months brings you to May of 1948
Israel became a nation on the 14th day of May in 1948.
Their sentence was complete, and according to their "Prophets" of the Old Testament, will never be plucked out of their land. Israel is here to stay.
Jeremiah 24:1-7.... the two baskets of figs represent the two nations, Israel and Judah
Ezekiel 37:15-28... verse 22 informs us that there will be one nation, no longer split into two kingdoms...
Hosea 3:4-5.......... the word latter means the hinder most end of time, in Hebrew
Amos 9:14-15.......God promises His people that He will never pull them out of their land again...
Zechariah 12:6-8....a strong military

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Message 2 of 11 (172745)
01-01-2005 10:44 AM


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Message 3 of 11 (172756)
01-01-2005 11:21 AM
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01-01-2005 4:52 AM


Wow! That is so cool and amazing
Now where was it published well in advance of 1948? Since it is so clear it must have been figured out even centuries in advance right?
Amazing!

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Message 4 of 11 (172759)
01-01-2005 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
01-01-2005 4:52 AM


Lunar calendar
Where do you get your information that God uses the lunar calendar? Why would God use a calendar that would put the seasons out of synch?

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Message 5 of 11 (172761)
01-01-2005 11:42 AM
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01-01-2005 4:52 AM


Tom
THE CONVERSION :
2,520 yrs X 360 days = 907,200 days
Now divide 907,200 days by 365.25 yrs
Total calendar yrs = 2,483.77
2,483.77 - 536 BC = 1947.77
You failed math didn't you?
2520 yrs x 360 days = 907,200 days
2520 yrs x 365 days = 919,800 days
This is a difference of 12,600 days
12,600 days divided by 365 days = 34.52 years
2520/4 = 630 this is the number of days to account for leap years.
630days/365 days/year = 1.72 years
34.52 years + 1.72 years = 36.24 years
Add 1 to account for b.c. to a.d. change gives a total of 37.24 years.
Now we continue in the vein you submitted and subtract this from the 2520 years and we end up with 2482.76 A.D. Damn it Israel is not a nation for another 477.76 years.Guess we screwed up eh?

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Message 6 of 11 (172766)
01-01-2005 12:47 PM
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01-01-2005 11:42 AM


You missed that he says that the counting starts from 536BC, and not 1AD

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Message 7 of 11 (172767)
01-01-2005 12:49 PM
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01-01-2005 12:47 PM


That still only brings it to 1946.76.

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Message 8 of 11 (172769)
01-01-2005 12:58 PM
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01-01-2005 4:52 AM


One issue I didn't notice at first before moving this topic. It is a cut and paste job from http://members.aol.com/chursey/bibldate.htm
It has been discussed on IIDB Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board and copied at http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2109. Both places give credit to the first link.


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Message 9 of 11 (172776)
01-01-2005 1:31 PM
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01-01-2005 12:47 PM


Melchior
I did indeed.Back to school for me.However a new problem crops up when you point this out.Why do we not include the dates prior to 536 b.c. with a conversion to 365 days/per year also? This would I assume skew the results?

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Message 10 of 11 (172818)
01-01-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
01-01-2005 4:52 AM


It's more than just the maths that is fuzzy.
Firstly there is no mention of a "probationary period". So we have one invention.
The "360 day year" is another invention. The Jewis calendar has a variable year-length which averages out close enough to a solar year.
The Ezekiel quote only decrees 40 years for Judah - and it is the Kingdom of Judah that is overthrown in 2 Chronicles 36:21, and the descendants of the people of Judah that are the modern Jews. So the sentence should be at worst (40 * 7) - 70 = 210 years.
And then of course we have the fact that Judah was free at times after 536 BC.
So all in all we have a "prophecy" that misrepresents the Bible - and still fails.

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Tal
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Message 11 of 11 (172958)
01-02-2005 5:04 AM
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01-01-2005 12:58 PM


My bad there.

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