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sonofasailor
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Message 1 of 147 (14918)
08-06-2002 6:12 PM


I am a new member and wish to learn more from everyone on here about evolution. I have read all the basics, but get lost in the jargon of what scientists talk about. I am often confronted about evolution, and would truly love to learn from you guys. I have read some of the topics on talk origin and have tried to read most of your replies in previous threads.
I was hoping someone could help explain more on the origin of species and how it might have evolved through macroevolution. I read the talk origin thread on misconceptions of macro, but wish someone could be patient with me and explain in simple English.
I often get the comment that evolution can’t be proven and if I believe in it, it must be only a faith. Personally, I would rather listen to scientists with empirical data and testing of evidence to draw conclusions over any propaganda about an invisible man in the sky.
Could someone help with the items below in common language?
1. Abiogenesis — How did it start and evolve?
2. Evolution — How did animals get upright, how did we go from the seas to land, how and why did we deviate into humans and chimps?
3. Evidence of an older earth - How can I contradict creationists and what formula is correct in determining it.
4. How do I know Radio carbon dating is accurate in its dating techniques?
5. How can I prove evolution?
I am asking help from all of you. I thank you for your time. Erik

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sonofasailor
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Message 4 of 147 (14956)
08-07-2002 10:23 AM


Thank you both for your responses. I will be around for quite some time. I may not participate in the conversations, but I will be reading the material. Mark, you did a great job of starting off with information and examples that I can understand. I thank you for it. I spend a majority of my time defending evolution on a sports board as it veers off track from subject to subject. I then progressed to a community board with various topics. I found myself in a war (only of words) with many creationists. It became a cut and paste war. I don’t think either side progressed to an accurate and decisive answer. A few great debaters and others misrepresented information through me in for a loop when I couldn’t answer some of their questions. I sat on talk origin for weeks and became almost as lost as I became educated.
For years, I had my own assumptions of the world. Now, as I exit college, I see and read more about evolution and how my assumptions appear to be correct. I enjoy the subject of evolution vs. creation. It has already become addicting. The above topics I mentioned will help me explain and understand the theory better.
Thank you Que. I have already asked for the Richard Dawkins book for my birthday. I will keep a heads up on the other titles you mentioned. I definitely don’t mind the reading. It is the jargon and language that is giving me the headaches, based on a very limited science background.
Oh Mark, about the comment with humans becoming upright, I was wondering how we got from nothing, to some type of species in the ocean, to that species making it on land, to an animal that walks upright. I would love to know what started the process of life on earth and the end result of humankind.
I thank you all for taking time out of your life and explaining things in a kindergarten format. I will be around and appreciate all your help. I am getting married Saturday, so I will be gone for a week on the honeymoon. As you can see by my quick response, I am beyond just curious. Thanks guys and gals, Erik

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sonofasailor
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Message 9 of 147 (16111)
08-27-2002 10:24 AM


Dont forget about me guys. If anyone can still help with the questions I asked above. Sorry, I have been gone on my honeymoon.
Erik

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sonofasailor
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Message 24 of 147 (17089)
09-10-2002 11:59 AM


I'm still here guys. Mark has been providing a lot of information, but I'm willing to listen to anything for or against my beliefs. I will not be a hit and run on this board. No one posted for a while, so I began asking Mark and Schrafniator through emails. Thank you both for all the time taken out of your lives. I hope more of you began talking about the original questions and not debating each other on various other points. Thanks Erik

  
sonofasailor
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Message 49 of 147 (17277)
09-12-2002 12:43 PM


I think my original post is being forgotten. SOS

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