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Message 271 of 274 (92880)
03-17-2004 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 8:33 PM

So, if heritability of traits used to identify races
doesn't mean that there is some biological reality
to 'race' as a concept, what does it mean?

Yes, I understand that there are plenty of bigots who would
single someone out for having pear-shaped butt cheeks if it
served their agenda ... but not everyone in every culture
who has a notion of racial differences is a racist.

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Message 272 of 274 (92882)
03-17-2004 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by crashfrog
03-17-2004 12:28 AM

If it would take total inter-mixing to cause science to
claim there are not races, that implies this is not
the current situation.

If there were no race, there would be no racism -- the bigots
would find something else to go after.
I'm afraid, in the context of this discussion, one has to exclude
extremist views and concentrate on the majority view of
race ... most people, believe it or not, are not racist.

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Message 273 of 274 (92913)
03-17-2004 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tsegamla
10-18-2003 11:52 AM

I find it strange that this topic has had so many replies and covered so many different aspects of "race". The original poster simply asked how different human races originated.

Firstly a human "race" is poorly defined and probably has no strict scientific definition. But in generally spoken English, it is common to speak of "races" such as the Australian Aboriginal race etc. I suppose in these general terms a race is a group of people who have certain characteristics which are different from other groups of people. Early European settlers in Australia certainly recognised that the Aborigines were different - a different "race".

They have evolved to some extent to adapt better to their isolated environment. There are clearly genetic differences between Aboriginals and European settlers. Aborigines cannot digest certain food groups, but seem immune to certain diseases which are prevalent among Europeans. The Aborigines have had about 50,000 years to adapt to their environment.

So in summary I believe a "race" is a local variation of the same overall human species. The variations are caused by adaptations to local environments. But we all belong to the one species Homo sapiens.
That is not to say one race is better or worse than another.

Due to mixing of races it is often not possible to look at one randomly chosen person and say what "race" he is. But it is possible to investigate "pure" or "near pure" members of a "race" (isolated group) and it will normally be found that they have charactersitics in terms of genetics, language, culture etc which set them apart from surrounding races or groups. Genetic scientists aim to investigate such "near pure " groups to try to unravel the history of mankind.

The Kalahari bushmen, pygmies, Australian Aborigines, certain Bedouin tribes are examples of such races or isolated groups.

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Message 274 of 274 (173160)
01-02-2005 7:53 PM

Thread copied to the Human Races thread in the The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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