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Seafarer
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Message 31 of 35 (171267)
12-24-2004 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by From_Dust?
12-23-2004 8:46 PM


Called Original sin
Satan is the sin nature of man wherein we are human as distinct from our God nature as man.
The redemption of man ('us,' as in you and or me) will be to redeem this original nature, crucify our human nature and place it subservient to our God nature.
So there is not satan 'out there' that is greater then you just as there is no God 'out there' that is greater then you.

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Tal
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Message 32 of 35 (173040)
01-02-2005 1:06 PM


No, God cannot allow sin to enter heaven
How do you explain Satan being up in heaven?
7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD , "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it." Job 1:7
Or Revelations 12:7-9?
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
This in the "end times" and I don't believe this has happened yet.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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commike37
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Message 33 of 35 (173213)
01-03-2005 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by happy_atheist
11-14-2004 9:44 AM


Here we go...
Alright, I'll take a shot at it. Anyone who makes it to heaven will be there forever.
1 Thessaloninians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
So, if a trip to heaven lasts forever, this means one of two things.
1: Humans don't have free will in heaven and thus will never sin.
2: Humans have free will and will choose the right decision forever.
If the second scenario is true, there will still be temptation to a certain degree even without Satan. There was no external "Satan" to tempt Satan; he decided to sin of his own free will.
Now if you sin while you're in heaven (hypothetically speaking), what will happen is quite simple: you get thrown out just like Satan.

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commike37
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Message 34 of 35 (173215)
01-03-2005 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Tal
01-02-2005 1:06 PM


How do you explain Satan being up in heaven?
Jesus talked about making a new heaven and earth in Revelation, so that would imply that the old one was tainted. It was probably tainted from when Satan sinned in heaven and also the subsequent war between the archangel Michael and Satan in heaven. Of course God is still not tainted, though.

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Tal
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Message 35 of 35 (173247)
01-03-2005 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by commike37
01-03-2005 12:04 AM


That's the answer I was looking for. Sin is in fact allowed into the current heaven. But heaven and earth will be nuked away after the 1000 year reign.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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