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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Ok let us open on this one Please show chapter and verse of where Jesus ever said this.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
36Christians
, And there are also many other which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. There are only 82,590 words in the Gospels and not all of those are quotes of Jesus. It is quite probable that Jesus did make this statement for it coincides perfectly with Matthew 10:41-42 and Luke 14:12-14. Regardless the book is in error.Acts was wriiten long after by the physician Luke so he cannot have known what was said.He could only deal with what was,to him,history,since the earliest year for acts has been argued to be A.D 61. You must need s revise your original statement here as expressed in your OP
It is our stand that the King James Version of the Holy Bible is completely perfect. It is not completely perfect or this error could not have occured.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
36Christians
I know you have been inundated and you doubtless missed my previous post, however I would ask for you guys to try this onee on for size.
Exd 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which [are] in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring [them] unto me. Exd 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which [were] in their ears, and brought [them] unto Aaron. Exd 32:4 And he received [them] at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These [be] thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. The gold is melted and formed into a calf idol.
And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount. Exd 32:20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt [it] in the fire, and ground [it] to powder, and strawed [it] upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink [of it]. Who wishes to show us the how this action was accomplished?{burning a golden calf into powder}? Such a feat is impossible by any means they could have possibly acquired while in exile in the desert.Gold has a boiling Point of 2807.0 C (3080.15 K, 5084.6 F) which would be necessary to reduce it to a substance that could be ground. To give you some grasp of this propane burns at a maximum flame temperature in air of 3595 deg F.This is 1500 degrees F short of the necessary temperature.It would require the resources of an oxy-acetylene torch to attain the necessary temperature for this.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Tom
Tom writes: sidelined, It does not say they burned it so they could grind it into a powder, after he destroyed the image he simply ground it into small pieces Exd 32:20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt [it] in the fire, and ground [it] to powder , and strawed [it] upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink [of it]. It does say they burned it in the fire and ground it to powder so,yes, the did one does follow the other.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Arachnophilia
Yep, pity they did not mention it participating.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Incognito
Gold-melting boy. If you are going to start questioning the boiling point of gold, you'd have to then question how a burning bush talks, staffs turn to snakes, and Jesus is raised from the dead. BTW, if you don't believe in miracles, Incognito,my boy,there are obvious delineations between what is considered miracles and what is the act of men. The gold burning ,grinding ,and strawing was accomplished by Moses as it plainly ststes to anyone not intent on deflecting from the issue. Perhaps you do not wish to have such impossibilities posed to you as you have some emotional stake in maintaining a lie.Miracles have the inexplicable property of dissolving away under critical examination,go figure.
how'd you get here? Don’t tell me: It was through the Miraculous one-time mixing of amino acids in a Miraculously never again reproduced chemical mix... I guess it seems none of us can escape the unexplainable can we? Not at all. I arrived here due to sexual relations between my Mom and Dad.It was not in the least miraculous,but a process of nature,one I have participated in and as a result have a family of my own whom I love dearly.
This also doesn't prove/disprove the inerrancy of KJV, it just proves/disproves what you believe in... On a sterner note it does indeed disprove the innerancy of the bible since such a feat is not possible in the way it was described.That you have a difficulty with laws of physics is fortunately a problem of yours and not mine.I do not suspect you will even own up to far greater errors in the bible without fuming in indignation as opposed to rational discussion. A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?' This raised his doubts to such a pitch He fell distracted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Incognito
It said they threw it into the fire, so would it not of melted into the ashes amid the sands. So then its gets less pure, but mingled with impurities. Since you have a science/engineering background perhaps you could propose a process whereby impurities could get into gold and allow it to be ground to powder?Perhaps you could explain the reason for putting it into the fire in the first place if not to melt it at least?Perhaps you can explain how they burnt gold in order to grind it to a powder? The melting point of gold is 1947 degrees F.Show us the means of and evidence for the ability of nomadic desert people to produce this high a temperature.Such a task should be childs play for you and the best thing is it uses the hard sciences.Have fun. A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?' This raised his doubts to such a pitch He fell distracted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Incognito
A nomad people on the move in the desert find enough fuel to piss away on the melting of gold to form a calf and then find some more to melt it again? I am sure they had no problem with that.Atfter all wood is plentiful there eh? We will probably have to continue this in another thread as we are coming up to post # 300 where we need to shut down.Talk to you then perhaps.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Incognito
There is a good bit of evidence (not from the Bible) that adequate wood/brush/forage would have been around to support the fire required to construct this calf. Then you will not mind providing the evidence pertainent to the time period and location will you?
Not to speculate too much, but we have no idea where God led them for 40 years that they couldn't make the extremely short trip from Egypt to Israel Speculate all you want,however I do not believe there is any evidence of any such Exodus having occured.
On a serious note to all involved in this forum, if you find real "errors" that are provable with archaeological, historical, scientific facts, please bring them up. Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down I need not,I hope, have to explain the destruction inherent in the moving of the sun backwards ten degrees.This event,is not to my knowledge, recored anywhere else and such a staggeringly odd incident would not have gone unnoticed.
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