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Author Topic:   Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent
Tal
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Message 16 of 153 (175392)
01-10-2005 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by arachnophilia
01-10-2005 2:52 AM


Re: It is better to be thought a fool and keep silent...too late
We'll have to agree to disagree.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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arachnophilia
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Message 17 of 153 (175407)
01-10-2005 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tal
01-10-2005 2:53 AM


Re: It is better to be thought a fool and keep silent...too late
We'll have to agree to disagree.
i'm sorry, but that's a lame response.
i asked people to examine their motivation, and you parroted back standard religious dogma. yeah, conviction: we're right to be afraid of punishment is we deserve it, right? it's still fear.
i even explained that this is not something i am unfamiliar with. i'm speaking from personal experience here. i have seen fear and guilt used to control church-goers in every fundamentalist christian church i have been to: i myself have been controlled in this manner.
i'm sorry, but "agreeing to disagree" just doesn't cut it. if you don't wanna debate the point, then don't.

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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 18 of 153 (175474)
01-10-2005 11:17 AM
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01-10-2005 4:10 AM


Re: It is better to be thought a fool and keep silent...too late
It is a perfectly reasonable answer.
I answered with my opinion based on my observations.
You don't agree with it.
Impass.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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coffee_addict
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Message 19 of 153 (175579)
01-10-2005 5:05 PM
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01-10-2005 4:10 AM


Re: It is better to be thought a fool and keep silent...too late
Arachnophobe writes:
i myself have been controlled in this manner.
Most ex-fundy that I know, including myself, went through this phase at one time or other.

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SoulSlay
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Message 20 of 153 (175602)
01-10-2005 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Abshalom
01-09-2005 11:32 AM


Re: No One Yet Claiming "God's Wrath"
To answer your initial post, I don't think that the tsunami was an example of God's wrath. I see no reason to assume it was. The quote you reference about God punishing Asia for providing prostitutes for American tourists seems to state that the only people sinning are the prostitutes, not those who employ them. So far, I have not heard a single good argument that the tsunami was God's wrath. Does anybody here think it was?

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Gilgamesh
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Message 21 of 153 (175605)
01-10-2005 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by JonF
01-09-2005 12:06 PM


Re: Christian claiming it's God's wrath
You've got it wrong.
The Tsunami was Allah's wrath for ignoring his laws. Allah even signed his name in the waves:
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Asian Tsunami Imagery - Kalutara, Sri Lanka
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Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 153 (175608)
01-10-2005 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Abshalom
01-07-2005 10:53 AM


The purpose of intitiating this topic is for those who believe the recent Southeast Asian tsunami is an example of God's Wrath to answer a few simple questions, and for those who wish to engage in a debate specifically addressing the questions and their pertinent answers.
My position, as per your proposal, is that at the least......
1. ......this is a wake-up call to the careless Eastern sea islanders and Eastern sea shore dwellers. I say careless because these folks are, as I understand them, peoples whose forefathers have sometime in the past, departed from revelation from the Biblical god, Jehovah, and have embraced other gods, ideologies and doctrines.
2. This is a tap on the shoulder by the Biblical god, Jehovah, on the Eastern nations to get their attention. The Biblical god, Jehovah's messiah/son, Jesus is soon to return to earth to rule and reign the world in righteousness. It is a wake-up call for these people to rise up out of their spiritual lethargy. These people, particularly the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist nations have shown significant hostility to Christians and Christian missions in their nations, and in recent years that hostility has escalated. By this terrible tradgedy, the tsunami earthquake, those who consistently come to the aid of the needy, the desolate, the starving, and the victims of disaster, i.e, the CHRISTIAN ideologues, via this disaster, are now eagerly welcomed to come to the rescue of these nations, who, because of their looser ideologies are unable to help themselves.
3. Perhaps, I say perhaps, the Biblical god, Jehovah, the one and only true god, has allowed this to happen by his mercy so as to bring the messengers of the truth to these people who have been deprived of this by their political and spiritual leaders, in order that they may become enlightened to the way of the true savior/messiah, the way of the eternal salvation of their souls, and from the false doctrines and gods who they presently serve and worship.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 23 of 153 (175611)
01-10-2005 7:18 PM
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01-10-2005 7:09 PM


And so Buz, when La Palma splits and a tsunami wipes out a million plus on the East Coast of the US will you say that it is GOD sending a message to the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as well as their followers?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 24 of 153 (175612)
01-10-2005 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Gilgamesh
01-10-2005 6:27 PM


Re: Which god?
The Tsunami was Allah's wrath for ignoring his laws. Allah even signed his name in the waves:
Nonsense! Allah, god of Islam's followers comprised the great majority of the dead, injured and homeless, because of this terrible disaster. Where in the Quran does Mohammed prophesy specific prophecies pertaining to such latter day events, such things as are prophesied in Isaiah 24 and Luke 21:25-28, that the Biblical God Jehovah has prophesied via Jesus and his prophets?
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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 153 (175614)
01-10-2005 7:29 PM
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01-10-2005 7:18 PM


Re: About USA
jar writes:
And so Buz, when La Palma splits and a tsunami wipes out a million plus on the East Coast of the US will you say that it is GOD sending a message to the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as well as their followers?
No, I will say that it's likely a wake-up call to the good ole US of A whose citizens have tolerated the murder of millions of innocent babes, allowed homosexuality to come out of the closet, disregarded the god Jehovah's laws concerning marriage, adultery, porography, and allowed secularistic atheistic doctrine of origins to exclusively rule the day in public schools, et al. In fact, the Fla storm disasters, 9/11, et al are significant in this regard, imo.
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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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CK
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Message 26 of 153 (175616)
01-10-2005 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 7:29 PM


Re: About USA
God punished the USA and punished people by burning them to death or forcing them to leap from windows to their death because other people watched some porn and became atheists?
What a sick evil creature your god is.

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jar
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Message 27 of 153 (175618)
01-10-2005 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 7:29 PM


Re: About USA
No, I will say that it's likely a wake-up call to the good ole US of A whose citizens have tolerated the murder of millions of innocent babes, allowed homosexuality to come out of the closet, disregarded the god Jehovah's laws concerning marriage, adultery, porography, and allowed secularistic atheistic doctrine of origins to exclusively rule the day in public schools, et al. In fact, the Fla storm disasters, 9/11, et al are significant in this regard, imo.
So your version of GOD is perfectly willing to kill millions of Christians that do not do any of the things you mentioned just to send a telegram to the remainder.
Is there some reason to believe your version is any more reasonable than my version where GOD is out to get the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, Gene Scott, Jim Bakker and Pat Robertson?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 28 of 153 (175627)
01-10-2005 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by CK
01-10-2005 7:40 PM


Re: About USA
God punished the USA and punished people by burning them to death or forcing them to leap from windows to their death because other people watched some porn and became atheists?
What a sick evil creature your god is.
Hi Charles. It's been awhile since we've talked. Thanks for the response, so we can talk again. People like you are an asset to the forum, keeping things moving and creos honest.
If you will reread my post carefully, you'll see the word, "tolerated." When the accepted morality of a culture defies God's precepts, the culture is in danger of intervention from God. Why? Because God is mean spirited and eager to punish? No. It's because God KNOWS what's GOOD for a culture and what will either edify a culture or harm a culture in the long haul. God knows that the ways of sin are the ways of sorrow, poverty, disease, and death. So in his mercy to the children of the depraved, he roots out the deadly CANCER, ravaging the society in order to save it. This is the very reason the global flood became necessary, destroying every man, woman and child on the planet, save Noah and his family, i.e. 8 souls.
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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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CK
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Message 29 of 153 (175631)
01-10-2005 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:07 PM


Re: About USA
You old smoothy - buttering me up like that :-)
Hope you had a restful and enjoyable holiday.

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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 153 (175634)
01-10-2005 8:23 PM
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01-10-2005 7:48 PM


Re: About USA
So your version of GOD is perfectly willing to kill millions of Christians that do not do any of the things you mentioned just to send a telegram to the remainder.
Can you document that millions of devout bonafide Biblical Christians have ever been wiped out via catastrophic acts of God?
Is there some reason to believe your version is any more reasonable than my version where GOD is out to get the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, Gene Scott, Jim Bakker and Pat Robertson?
Jar, my cyber friend, do you even know the definition of the word, blasphemy? Look it up. Then if you still think it applies to any of the above, I challenge you to another great debate as to whether it applies to any of the above. The only exception is Gene Scott, simply because I've never heard of the man, and don't know whether he's publically blasphemed God or not.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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