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Author Topic:   Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent
Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 153 (175637)
01-10-2005 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by CK
01-10-2005 8:15 PM


Re: About USA
You old smoothy - buttering me up like that :-)
Hope you had a restful and enjoyable holiday.
Thanks Charles. Indeedy I did. Hopefully you and yours did too. This :-).... what's it, a concocted up frown or a mistake?

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 32 of 153 (175638)
01-10-2005 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:23 PM


Re: About USA
Can you document that millions of devout bonafide Biblical Christians have ever been wiped out via catastrophic acts of God?
Of course not because natural disasters are not acts of GOD. It is as silly to say that the tsunami in the South Pacific was an act of GOD as to say thet the tsunami that will happen when La Palma collapses is an act of GOD.
Jar, my cyber friend, do you even know the definition of the word, blasphemy? Look it up. Then if you still think it applies to any of the above, I challenge you to another great debate as to whether it applies to any of the above.
Oh, they are Balsphemers alright, Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit. They are classic examples of the GOATs. Unfortuantely, they lead many astray. They are the living embodiment of Satan.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 153 (175641)
01-10-2005 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
01-10-2005 8:35 PM


Re: About USA
Oh, they are Balsphemers alright, Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit. They are classic examples of the GOATs. Unfortuantely, they lead many astray. They are the living embodiment of Satan.
1. Ok, then, how about a GD as to whether any of these publically blasphemed the HS, as per the definition of the word blasphemy?
2. Falwell and Robertson, imo, should not be classed with Bakker and Swaggart, given the scandals of Swaggart and the crimes of Bakker.
I know you're leading this thread off topic, by your false accusations of these people, but I will not let your meanspirited falisies go unchallenged, nevertheless.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-10-2005 20:57 AM

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 34 of 153 (175643)
01-10-2005 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:54 PM


Re: About USA
1. Ok, then, how about a GD as to whether any of these publically blasphemed the HS, as per the definition of the word blasphemy?
No Buz, it's pointless debating with you.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Shaz
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Message 35 of 153 (175644)
01-10-2005 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:07 PM


Gods Judgement
... So in his mercy to the children of the depraved, he roots out the deadly CANCER, ravaging the society in order to save it.
So your saying then that, God passed judgement on the Sumatra region, and routed out the evil by way of the tsunami?
If such is the case then I am a little confused, because I was under the belief that Jesus came, so that God would not vent his wrath on the world. Now maybe my interpretation is wrong, but I have always considered these verses in John, to mean that there will be no judgement until the end.
Jhn 12:47-48 If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
So could you please explain where I have gone wrong Buzsaw?
(no need for the 'mean Evo's' {kidding} to say, 'believing in God, in the first place' )
Shaz

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 153 (175646)
01-10-2005 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
01-10-2005 8:35 PM


Re: About USA
Of course not because natural disasters are not acts of GOD. It is as silly to say that the tsunami in the South Pacific was an act of GOD as to say thet the tsunami that will happen when La Palma collapses is an act of GOD.
Mainstream media, on occasion has referred to disasters as "acts of God." Well then, can you document that any disasters have wiped out "millions" of bonafide Biblical Christians, as you have implied?

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 37 of 153 (175653)
01-10-2005 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 9:02 PM


Re: About USA
Mainstream media, on occasion has referred to disasters as "acts of God."
And so do insurance policies. It's a way of getting out of paying what is due.
Well then, can you document that any disasters have wiped out "millions" of bonafide Biblical Christians, as you have implied?
Here is a link to go back to what I was talking about. Message 23
I am speaking about the collapse of La Palma. That is not only a very specific event, it's a far more reliable prophecy than any in the Bible.
And just what is a "bonafide Biblical Christian" anyway? You seem to think that Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston are Christians. Given them as an example, I hope you don't include me in such a definition.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 153 (175655)
01-10-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Shaz
01-10-2005 9:01 PM


Re: Gods Judgement
So your saying then that, God passed judgement on the Sumatra region, and routed out the evil by way of the tsunami?
Don't add words to my post. I used terms like, wake up call and tap on the shoulder, similar to what I view 9/ll and some other things as in America.
If such is the case then I am a little confused, because I was under the belief that Jesus came, so that God would not vent his wrath on the world. Now maybe my interpretation is wrong, but I have always considered these verses in John, to mean that there will be no judgement until the end.
No, if you read everything in context, Jesus spoke of the wrath of God which would come on earth. He came in order that those who receive him may escape the wrath to come and those who are caught up in national disasters prior to the final wrath judgements may be resurrected to Heaven. Imo, the 7 vials of God's wrath of Revelation 16 occur after the true Christians are caught up (raptured) into Heaven.
Jhn 12:47-48 If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jesus here, clearly refers to his first advent, i.e., the age of grace and salvation. His 2nd advent and the wrath bowls of God, clearly are not implicated here in this text.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 153 (175660)
01-10-2005 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by jar
01-10-2005 9:15 PM


Re: About USA
Here is a link to go back to what I was talking about. Message 23
I am speaking about the collapse of La Palma. That is not only a very specific event, it's a far more reliable prophecy than any in the Bible.
1. .......and it hasn't happened, has it? When, and it it ever hits, likely "millions" of bonafide Christians will not be killed.
2. Isaiah 24, the specific earthquake prophecy I alluded to specifically calles upon the Eastern sea coastal dwellers to give God the glory. Nothing specific is noted in earthquake prophecy concerning the West. That is not to say it won't happen. You people keep calling for specifics, so by the same token, you too, need to be specific as to prophecy.
And just what is a "bonafide Biblical Christian" anyway? You seem to think that Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston are Christians. Given them as an example, I hope you don't include me in such a definition.
To fully answer that would be off topic. Check out the short little book of I John, chapter 5, verses 11-13, near the book of Revelation and the Gospel of John, chapter 3 verse 3 in the Bible, for your answer.
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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Gilgamesh
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Message 40 of 153 (175664)
01-10-2005 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 7:19 PM


Re: Which god?
You didn't read the article did you? ... or look at the amazing picture of the Arabic word "Allah" appearing in the shape of the Tsunami.
""The Koran says people can be punished through water or through fire," he added, referring to Islam's sacred scripture.
The Muslim leaders have a 2,000-year-old precedent when it comes to ascribing a tsunami to the punishment of angry deities."
""Allah first sends small punishments - like loss of business. If we ignore the warning, He sends bigger ones - loss of life. If we still ignore the warnings, the big punishments, like earthquakes and tsunamis will come."
Faizeen said areas of Sri Lanka mainly populated by Muslims were the hardest hit and that the waves were aimed at Muslims in Indonesia and Sri Lanka who he said had strayed from God's ways.
"
Link to article
The Muslim clerics are claiming this as Allah's judgement for those Muslims who have strayed from God's ways. You'll probably claim the same nonsense in relation Christians who might get cleaned up in any future US disaster. Hang on, you already have.
Buz writes:
No, I will say that it's likely a wake-up call to the good ole US of A whose citizens have tolerated the murder of millions of innocent babes, allowed homosexuality to come out of the closet, disregarded the god Jehovah's laws concerning marriage, adultery, porography, and allowed secularistic atheistic doctrine of origins to exclusively rule the day in public schools, et al. In fact, the Fla storm disasters, 9/11, et al are significant in this regard, imo.
The Tsunami was from Allah:
Asian Tsunami Imagery - Kalutara, Sri Lanka
Do you see the word Jehovah written in Hebrew in the wave. No? I don't either.
Muslim claims are just as silly as Christian claims.
edited by AdminJar to fix long link
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Shaz
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Message 41 of 153 (175670)
01-10-2005 10:16 PM


Does it seem ludicrous to anyone else, that we (and I include myself in this) are argueing over the cause and who is responsible? Seriously we can nit pick this till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, regardless of why, how or who, I think I owe it to fellow man to be above such pedantics. My apologies if I have offended anyone with my posts.
Buzsaw, I am going to concede my point, purely because I don't have the stomach for this debate. Sorry.
Shaz

  
NosyNed
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Message 42 of 153 (175684)
01-10-2005 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Gilgamesh
01-10-2005 6:27 PM


Allah's Signiture
I presume that the signiture is supposed to be in Arabic.
Can we see the Arabic for Allah?
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Yaro
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Message 43 of 153 (175688)
01-10-2005 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:23 PM


Re: About USA
Can you document that millions of devout bonafide Biblical Christians have ever been wiped out via catastrophic acts of God?
Hey buz, I have only gotten so far in the thread so I don't know if anyone else has answerd this but I'll bite:
Back in 2001 there was a horrendous earthquake in el salvador, a nation which acording to the CIA world fact book is 86% Catholic with a sizable evangelical protistant minority. (more than 1 million)
When the earthquakes hit nearly 45,000 buildings were destroyed upward of 8000 people were injured and more than 1000 were killed
http://www.redcross.org/news/in/0101elsalv/elsalvador.html
Worse still was the Galveston Hurricane of 1900. It killed between 6,000 - 12,000 people right there in the heart of the bible belt.
1900 Galveston hurricane - Wikipedia
In the 1980's the volcano Nevado del Ruiz errupted killing upward of 25,000 people in the predominantly christian nation of Columbia.
Nevado del Ruiz - Wikipedia
The Spanish Flu epidemic of the 1900's killed more than 500,000 people in the US and Europe. All the countries affected were predominantly christian nations.
Spanish flu - Wikipedia
And the worst Natural Disaster ever recorded in human history....
* drum roll *
The Black Plague!
Spanish flu - Wikipedia
More than 20 million people in a christian Europe perished.
That's alot of dead people buz, certainly some of them were christians.
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Gilgamesh
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Message 44 of 153 (175691)
01-10-2005 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by NosyNed
01-10-2005 11:11 PM


Re: Allah's Signiture
NosyNed wrote:
I presume that the signiture is supposed to be in Arabic.
Can we see the Arabic for Allah?
Holy crap, you expect me to defend this claim!
Sorry I don't know how to cut and paste images otherwise I'd put the two side by side for irrefutable proof:
See this for Allah in Arabic.
http://www.islamkorea.com/english/allahinbible.html
(ABE by adminNosy)
Compare to:
Asian Tsunami Imagery - Kalutara, Sri Lanka
(ABE by AdminNosy)
The similarity is, er, striking. Explain that away you infidel.
This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 01-11-2005 00:31 AM
Pictures edited in by a very helpful AdminNosy. Thank you!
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sidelined
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Message 45 of 153 (175693)
01-11-2005 12:04 AM
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01-10-2005 11:45 PM


Re: Allah's Signiture
Gilgamesh
The similarity is, er, striking. Explain that away you infidel.
Holy crap! I'm convinced.Which way is Mecca?I feel a need to kneel and pray. LOL!
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