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NosyNed
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Message 46 of 153 (175698)
01-11-2005 12:34 AM
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01-11-2005 12:04 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
Holy crap! I'm convinced.
For you I have a helluva deal on a grilled cheese sandwhich.
Interesting lesson in psychology isn't it?

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Gilgamesh
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Message 47 of 153 (175703)
01-11-2005 12:41 AM
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01-11-2005 12:04 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
Well you've got to visually rotate the image. The "W" is fairly well reproduced and the little "D" thingy that hangs off the front of it.
You guys will never be convinced.
At least the Muslim God attempted to put his signature on the disaster. Granted, he can't write real well.
If the disaster came from Jehovah, where is his signature?? Buz??
(No disrespect intended to those who suffered in this tragedy: only to those who seek to attribute it to some deity)

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sidelined
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Message 48 of 153 (175705)
01-11-2005 12:48 AM
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01-11-2005 12:34 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
NosyNed
Sure go ahead and laugh. It would of been mine if my lousy brother in law didn't weasel out of buying it. Some stupid thing about being a sceptic or some such foolhardy idea of his.
Has anybody got some good ol weeping idols cluttering up there attic they want to get rid of?

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sidelined
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Message 49 of 153 (175706)
01-11-2005 12:52 AM
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01-11-2005 12:41 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
Gilgamesh.
You guys will never be convinced.
Do you suppose there is a market for these things? I mean,I bet a man could retire in luxury off of Ebay by hawking these wares on a regular basis don't you think?

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contracycle
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Message 50 of 153 (175750)
01-11-2005 4:52 AM
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01-11-2005 12:04 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
I was once in a shop that had a magazine article on the wall showing a sliced tomato that allegedly contained some of gods word in arabic script.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 51 of 153 (175776)
01-11-2005 7:44 AM
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01-07-2005 10:53 AM


It is simply an indication of an unstable planet and that includes its occupants. Warnings, I should venture to say, warnings of what is really coming. The four horsemen, the angels holding the winds of strife - removed.
So, let's straighten up and fly right? (LOL)

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PecosGeorge
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Message 52 of 153 (175777)
01-11-2005 7:46 AM
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01-11-2005 4:52 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
You mean something like phrenology? Reading the bumps on a tomato?
That's great for my 'strange things are happening' collection. Thanks.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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contracycle
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Message 53 of 153 (175791)
01-11-2005 8:58 AM
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01-11-2005 7:46 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
quote:
You mean something like phrenology? Reading the bumps on a tomato?
Nah, actually IN the tomato. You know how tomatos are internally divided into sections? Well if you chop one in half vertically you will see slices of those 'bulkheads' in profile, separated by seeds and gel. It was the combination of the dividers and seeds that apparently made arabic words, so this was only 'revealed' when the tomato was chopped in half.
Of course I am not very familiar with arabic script so I could not see it myself, didn't know what pattern to be looking for.

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Abshalom
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Message 54 of 153 (175816)
01-11-2005 10:44 AM


Update
Folks, I'm swithching computers today, and cannot respond directly to any of your fine posts until the new box is up and running.
Let me offer the following as a "bur in the saddle:"
(Beginning at Nahum 1:2) The LORD is a jealous and avenging God. The LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.
(3) The LORD is slow to anger and great in power. The LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.
(4) He rebukes the sea and dries it up. He makes all the rivers run dry. Bashan and Carmel wither and the blossoms of Lebanon fade.
(5) The mountains quake before Him and the hills melt away. The earth trembles at his presence, the world and all who live in it.
(6) Who can withstand his indignation? Who can endure his fierce anger? His wrath is poured out like fire; the rocks are shattered before him.
(7) The LORD is good, a refuge in times of trouble. He cares for those who trust in him,
(8) But with an overwhelming flood he will make an end of Nineveh. He will pursue his foes into darkness.
So, if one accepts the Bible as the "Word of God," then apparently God is vengeful and wrathful toward those with whom He finds disfavor, and punishes them with fire, walls of water, etc.
Since Buz is foremost thus far in supporting this theory, I will ask him to reply to one of the specific questions in the OP:
Buz, if the tsunami is the "Wrath of God," and its after effects are as well, don't the relief efforts represent work against God's intented punishment?

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Phat
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Message 55 of 153 (175837)
01-11-2005 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
01-10-2005 8:35 PM


Tsunami: A purely natural event?
I am a rational person and I had a discussion with one of my friends who suggested that the Earthquake/Tsunami was a work of Satan. I told him that this was patently ridiculous--that the cause was entirely natural.He disagreed, saying that Satan was the god of this world.
I suggested that it was ludicrous that Satan would cause an earthquake. I am a rational thinker, after all. From a logical and rational perspective, my answer DOES make perfect sense. I am also a believer, however.
As I examine my Belief--which includes the reality of a supernatural spiritual war on the planet in this day and age--I wonder IF such an event as this had any purpose? Today, I listened to a radio broadcast from a minister in the area of Sri Lanka.
Now it is true that the minister was affiliated with the conservative Focus on The Family, but after listening to the mans testimony, I was convinced that his experience was genuine. The thing that struck me about his experience was how his faith was such a strength and a beacon to those around him.
Whether the God of his faith is able to work through this tragedy is indisputable to me. Listen and draw your own conclusions, if your computers can take streaming audio:
Amazing Faith: A Tsunami Story, Pt 2
Focus on the Family
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PecosGeorge
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Message 56 of 153 (175847)
01-11-2005 12:05 PM
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01-11-2005 11:31 AM


Re: Tsunami: A purely natural event?
God is love.
Death and calamities and sundry things are the result of mismanagement of resources. I'd say Adam was a poor husbandman.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 57 of 153 (175849)
01-11-2005 12:10 PM
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01-11-2005 8:58 AM


Re: Allah's Signiture
I was hoping for a hearty haw-haw.
As you know, people will sell you most anything. Compared with some items for sale - Arabic script in a tomato sounds perfectly acceptable.

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NosyNed
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Message 58 of 153 (175850)
01-11-2005 12:12 PM
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01-11-2005 11:31 AM


Satan's working
Could you ask your friend just how Satan does this?
We know exactly what caused the tsunami -- the earthquake. We know what caused the earthquake -- the slipage of tectonic plates; it was expected eventually. We know that these plates are moving all over the world. Does that mean that Satan is down there pushing them around?

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Abshalom
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Message 59 of 153 (175877)
01-11-2005 12:57 PM
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01-10-2005 10:02 PM


Disclaimers Written in the Wave
Gilgamesh, thank you for your very interesting contributions to this thread that help keep it on topic. Isn't it interesting how all these attributings of God, Allah, or Vishnu's wrath via the tsunami are coming from fundamentalists of various religions?
With regard to Buzsaw's take on it, have you found any information where a disclaimer was seen in the tsunami wave that said "Jehovah's Wake-up Call" which would be proof possitive of Buz's speculation regarding God's intent. (Am I being unfair to imply that Buz is overstepping his rabbinical authority by second-guessing God's intent? Maybe there is some obscure verse in the Bible where a Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek work should've been interpretted as "God's Early Warning" rather than "Wrath" or "Vengeance.")
Buz's take on it is interesting, though, and somewhat on-topic:
God sends a tsunami that indiscriminately wipes out tens of thousands of innocents along with tens of thousands of sinners.
The intent is to "wake-up" the surviving sinners through the good works of Christians that rush to their aid thereby demostrating their superior goodness and the benefits of believing in the Christian god.
The innocents killed by the tsunami and its after-effects are rewarded for their sacrifice by admittance to the Christian heaven after waiting in line behind the Raptured Ones.
I have to admit, that is one helluva eye opener!
But then it leaves an unaswered question ...
Isn't the number of those to be admitted to the Christian heaven limited to a specific number somewhere in Revelation? So what's the point of the "wake-up" call? And where in the Bible does it say that Jehovah issues "wake-up" calls?
So now we're back to some of the original questions in the OP:
Buz, is Jehovah a wrathful and vengeful god? Doesn't the Bible say so?
Is the tsunami an example of Jehovah's wrath or vengeance?
If Jehovah is omniscient, then He must realize the after-effects of a tsunami include death by cholera, typhoid, dehydration, starvation, etc. Wouldn't relief efforts interfere with Jehovah's original vengeful intent?
Buz, and others of like mind, I would be interested in answers that reflect specific passages in the Bible, Talmud, Quran, Vedic verses, etc., regarding God's Wrathful and Vengeful character and the intended targets and purposes for His Wrath and Vengeance.
Regards, Abshalom
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Phat
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Message 60 of 153 (175919)
01-11-2005 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by NosyNed
01-11-2005 12:12 PM


Re: Satan's working
Ned, I have a somewhat rational mind and I agree with you that there is ample natural explanations for such a disaster as this. If Mount Rainer decided to blow its top one day, Seattle would feel the wrath of nature. In defending the beliefs of the literalist, I would ask how much power that Satan has. I know that God is capable of infinite power, but I never gave the fallen cherub quite as much credit.
Did you listen to the Pastor from Sri Lanka? He talked of the hopelessness in the people...of how they thought themselves as powerless against the fate of nature. He responded by telling them that a thousand tsunamis would not overcome them if their faith was strong. "Satan" is the hopelessness of humans who have lost their families and children and see no silver lining in a very large cloud.
As for the devil pushing plates together, we first need an instrument to measure his existance! we have not even measured God yet, except through human anecdotals, so I'll go with the natural explanations for now!

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