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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
You just described the working of a highly complicated organ and what I don't understand is how you can say that it didn't need any intelligence to exist!?
Every part of the human body is far more complicated than all human technology put together. If it took intelligence for those technologies to exist, how much more did it take intelligence for humans to exist?
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
Do you imply that there is a more simple design for the brain that will also give you the same functionality and reliability and at the same time be just as compact and light-weight?
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
Hold on there a bit, what computers can do today doesn't even start to compare to what our brain can do.
A person's brain has to:Receive, process and store thousands of light, sound, smell and touch signals coming from all over the body in realtime. Do complicated calculations of the external environment and body movement and it's effect, for instance to catch a ball. Learn to understand a complicated language system made up of visual and audio inputs without any help from the outside. Take data from a vast storage capacity, process it and make decisions based on a combination of that and what is percieved by your senses. Store the complete account of what you sensed, thought and felt during your whole life. Feel and show and try to control emotions based on memory and present experience. And to top it all off, all of this can happen at the same time and usually at least a number of them does. We can't even make a computer conscious of it's own existence, so don't act like we have found a way of bettering the awesome design we see in the way God has created us.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
God, by definition is uncreated and infinite in power and intelligence. Since He has created us and everything we see around us, it makes no sense to try and define Him in terms of matter or energy.
A computer program requires a programmer to exist, but you won't find the programmer anywhere in the program, just like you won't find an engineer in the electronic device he designed or a cook in the food that he prepared. In the same way it is totally illogical to look for the Creator in His creation. All information we see in this world ultimately comes from Him, because there is no other possible way for it to have come into existence. Not from mutations or from natural selection, because in both cases information is lost and not gained. Where then could the information code we find in DNA have come form? Only one place and that is the Almighty God who has created each and every one of us and when we are done with our journey here on earth, we will see Him and then it will be too late to start to believe.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
quote: Molecular biology shows us today that similar structures in different creatures are specified by different genes. Before you embarrass yourself again, take a look at this site:Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research quote: What bugs are you talking about? What we see as bugs today, might have been necessary a thousand years ago.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
quote: You are terribly confused if you think computers are evolving themselves. Without human design and manufacture them, you wouldn't even be able to find a transistor on this planet. It's not evolution, but technological advance.
quote: This is still humans designing the robots. As the AI level increases, they are continuously adding information to the previous designs. Mutations and natural selection on the other hand are both cases where information is lost. If intelligence had to start simple, like you just said, where did the information input come from?
quote: Evidence or theory? Most attempts to prove evolution just brought into the light more problems for anybody that wanted to believe in it. And because people are afraid to admit the reality that we have to give account to God when we leave this earth, they will keep on believing the myth of evolution blindly.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
God has shown Himself to us through His creation and through the Bible, but Puff and TF's sister are imaginary, but I think this is the wrong thread to go into that into too much detail. Many people who tried to disprove the Bible or the existence if Jesus Christ have turned to Christianity as a result. That's more than any fairy tale character can say.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
quote: Your own words speak against what you are trying to say:"We can make computers evolve" "we make them work" "we can make things" "we set them going" I don't see the part where there is no intelligent interference from the outside. quote: That's exactly my point! In evolution simulations they use mutations to add information, but in real life that doesn't happen except for some very rare cases.
quote: Information doesn't increase when an animal species where some have long hair and some short remain in a cold environment for a long time and those with short hair die out. The short hair gene dies in the process, while the species are specialised for a cold environment.
quote: Where do we see actual examples of information being added to a species today? There is no scientific evidence for this crucial detail that evolutoinists accept without thinking twice.
quote: Information isn't created spontaneously. Data maybe, but not information. To get information, you need to know first of all which data to take and how to interpret it. For instance if I take a French book, but I can only understand English, the book won't mean anything to me. To successfully transmit or receive information, you have to know the correct code/language/protocol eihter in which to encode it or by which to decode it. No code or language or protocol can just appear out of nowhere, it in itself needs intelligence to design it.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
quote: HOW???
quote: No, we are born with all the necessary "software" to receive input, process it and act in response to that. The programming part was done when God created us.
quote: Our "primative" instincts are in many cases a means of survival, so they would obviously not be lost. However, if blonds stopped taking part in human reproduction completely (both male and female), a few generations down the line the blond hair gene can die out completely. We do not see cases of natural blue or purple hair, because it was never a part of human genes and never will be.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:What problems? Modern dating techniques seems to indicate to a young earth. Molecular biology is also showing that homology doesn't help evolusionists, because similar structures in different creatures are specified by different genes. [QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:Afraid? With your idea we are nothing more than puppets to the will of your god, that nothing we come up with is actually ours to call our own. We didn't earn our intelligence, it was handed to us at the say so of your god. That is a far more scary thought than what is actually the truth. No, I believe that there is something better than this world, commonly called heaven, where there is no death or sickness or poverty or crime. I don't see what is so scary about that.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
Both Christianity and Islam believes in one Almighty Creator, so I don't really see your point.
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
quote: Can a computer work out a algorythm to break a code or learn to really understand a language like we do?
quote: And what else can it do then? Run, trip, lose the ball, regain balance and then try to catch it again?
quote: OK show me the computer that can learn a language in the same way that a baby does.
quote: How come people under hypnosis can remember just about anything from their past.
[QUOTE]Feel and show and try to control emotions based on memory and present experience. Computers do this about as well as humans. Emotions are trivial to produce in software.[/QOUTE] When you talk about producing emotions in software you are revealing the fact that it is a human controlling the computer's emotions.
quote: No, because of serial processing they slow down as tasks become more.
quote: Like you said, the computer can't be truly aware of itself or the world around it or the people that it is interacting with in the same sense as humans do. It can't hope or dream or enjoy life.
quote: God created us to live and interact with Him, our environment and with each other, not just to process information. Would you really prefer life without any emotions or hopes or dreams or love just so you can remember everything even though it doesn't mean anything to you? Without the lifegiving spirit that God has put inside of us that enables us to love & hate and to be happy or sad and to hope for a better tomorrow, we would have been nothing.
quote: God gave us enough intelligence to realise who we are and if we are really honest with ourselves, that we need Him. And He gave us emotions so that we can experience His love for us and love Him back aswell.
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