Questions for ID believers

Originally posted by mopsveldmuis:Hold on there a bit, what computers can do today doesn't even start to compare to what our brain can do.But computers have only been around for a half a century and look just how far they've come in comparison. What took our brains millions of years to evolve has only took them decades. The evolution of the computer is many factors higher than with our organic brains. I can remember seeing an experiment over 10 years ago about using a computer on a cart which had been programned to navigate an obstacle cource in a parking lot. It took just about forever just to compute its course around a single object. Recently I had seen the same sort of experiment with the computer in a van on a test course where it navigated it in real time.Plus, many AI experts now realize that you don't start with human level intelligence, but with lower forms of life and work your way up learning just a brain actually functions along the way. They have had much success with robots using insect level intelligence instead. They also realize that if you want a human level intelligence you have to grow it gradually instead of starting at the top.Your problem is that you believe we started at the top. The evidence says otherwise.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-16-2002]

Originally posted by mopsveldmuis:You are terribly confused if you think computers are evolving themselves. Without human design and manufacture them, you wouldn't even be able to find a transistor on this planet. It's not evolution, but technological advance.This alone proves that the human brain is a product of evolution.This is still humans designing the robots. As the AI level increases, they are continuously adding information to the previous designs. Mutations and natural selection on the other hand are both cases where information is lost. If intelligence had to start simple, like you just said, where did the information input come from?We're self-programming from experiences through our enivironment. Plus information isn't lost since we still retain many of our primative instincts. There is also the fact that most of our DNA is leftover from our evolutionary ancestors. We only use a fraction of it. This is why they were able to complete the Book of Man so early from the Human Geneome Project. They skipped over the "Junk" DNA.Evidence or theory? Most attempts to prove evolution just brought into the light more problems for anybody that wanted to believe in it.What problems? And because people are afraid to admit the reality that we have to give account to God when we leave this earth, they will keep on believing the myth of evolution blindly.Afraid? With your idea we are nothing more than puppets to the will of your god, that nothing we come up with is actually ours to call our own. We didn't earn our intelligence, it was handed to us at the say so of your god. That is a far more scary thought than what is actually the truth.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-17-2002]

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Originally posted by mopsveldmuis:
God has shown Himself to us through His creation and through the Bible, but Puff and TF's sister are imaginary, but I think this is the wrong thread to go into that into too much detail. Many people who tried to disprove the Bible or the existence if Jesus Christ have turned to Christianity as a result. That's more than any fairy tale character can say.

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Now who is speaking of fairy tales. Christianity is stagnating. The fastest growing religion now is Islam.

Computers tend to store information better than humans. Humans only perceive their storage to be error free, it isn't.

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Computers are also faster than humans in querying for information in large data stores.I seem to remember reading somewhere ( ) that if you took what we actually learn throughout our lifetimes that it would all fit on a 650 meg CD.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
Now who is speaking of fairy tales. Christianity is stagnating. The fastest growing religion now is Islam.[/B][/QUOTE]That, my friends, is a hint how to tell the difference between religions and fairy tales! LOL[/B][/QUOTE]Give or take another few centuries and Islam will be in the same boat.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mammuthus:Take a gander at your old sparring partner Wordswordman....he is now telling me that jews are prime candidates for conversion and that Islam is just plain bad.....it would take a couple of centuries to disentagle him from his psychosis[/B][/QUOTE]He must be a Southern Baptist than. And we all know just how tolerant they are.