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Message 36 of 165 (16240)
08-29-2002 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr_Tazimus_maximus
05-29-2002 9:57 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr_Tazimus_maximus:
[B]Here is an example of the evidence the existence of the Chinese culture prior to 4500 years (time of the mythical Noahchian flood) ago.
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Please note that 3494 B,C is 2002 years plus 3494 years equals 5496 years +/- 5 years (for the differences between calenders and Grgorian calender shifts). The chinese were very exact with their record keeping and monitoring their dynasties.{[/quote]
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I can't let this go by. The date of 3494 BC seems incredibly archaic. My understanding of early civilisations is that there is little evidence of civilisation beyond about 3000 BC - 1st dynasty Egyptians (though there are neolithic settlements going back to 5000 BC). This site seems to provide a better indication of dates for the Yellow River culture:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCCHINA/YELLOW.HTM
Of course, your primary point - that there were people around before 4500 BC is still made. Neolithic and Paeliolithic cultures go back to 150,000 BC. I must do some study on the creationist position, though. I thought that 4004 BC was the date for the creation, which would make Noah later than this.
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Message 78 of 165 (17689)
09-18-2002 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Wordswordsman
09-17-2002 5:33 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
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I am amazed! Does your church not follow ALL the the Divine-Inspired requirements for salvation? My friend, you have fallen victim to the blandishments of a false religion. Repent, and change your ways, lest you be sucked into the Eternal Damnation that surely awaits those equivocators who pick and choose at the Holy Words which God Himself has taught us. You are truly 'Error-Ridden' - on what basis do you presume to choose to ignore Holy Commandment?
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WS: Contrarily, the more people become "educated" in the secular, the farther they seem to go away from God. Education has value, but too much of it results in exposure to unbelief and a washing away of subtle truths. Peole become distracted, mired down in the affairs of life, missing the quiet voice of the Spirit.
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See? Even you understand the need to return to a simpler life, though you 'see through a glass, darkly'.
It is obvious that the culture of the ancient Middle-East produced a truer, more holy existence. Why else would God chose to reveal Himself to Man only at this time? We have been seduced by the devil ever since, and are falling into the Pit from which there will be no relief, only Everlasting Fire and Torture (see Revelations).
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Message 84 of 165 (17711)
09-18-2002 1:33 PM


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Whatever is taught in the New Testament is part of the gospel of Christ, though some is clearly cultural accomodation that can be omitted, such as modes of dress and transportation. [/quote]
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Has no-one noticed this point? See 78 above. Wordswordsman rejects the Good Book! He thinks things 'can be omited', based on his view of what a proper culture is (American Mid-West, I presume). Surely he is dammed by his own words?

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Message 86 of 165 (17718)
09-18-2002 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by John
09-18-2002 2:43 PM


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Whatever is taught in the New Testament is part of the gospel of Christ, though some is clearly cultural accomodation that can be omitted, such as modes of dress and transportation.
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...your reaction is due to a mis-understanding of holy doctrine. When Christian speak of salvation, what they mean is that Jesus saved them from all the nit-picky cultural stuff outlined in the OT. Dietary laws, for example. Or worship on the Sabbath. Or not working on the Sabbath. Or killing women who touch men's pee-pee's. Or not touching a menstruating woman or anything she touches. Or settling a rape case by paying off the family of the victim (and keeping the girl)

Sorry - this is a field I know little about. I was intrigued by the reference to transportation!
I think you might be wrong about Worship on the Sabbath - I think that not turning up to church still sends you to hell. But who decides which of the inerrant words of God can be ignored due to 'cultural' reasons? I would have thought that this drives a bit of a hole through fundamentalism?

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