CrashFrog vs. Juhrahnimo: A friendly discussion

Well, I appreciate your respectful post, thank you. But I must point out that MY POST did NOT specifically cause the thread to be closed down. ADMIN's comments were: The "protoge" (who couldn't stay on topic) who Admin was referring to was creationfan, and I don't even know who creationfan is; I was just patting him/her on the back a little and offering some chit chat (creationfan is outnumbered and I was just trying to be supportive). Creationfan (and others) had gotten off topic several time over 320+ posts, and Admin issued a number of warnings about it. It wasn't ONE POST that broke the camel's back. Seems to me like AdminAsqara may have thought the thread was getting a little old and too many foodfights were continuing to ensue. Admin only stated that I wasn't "helping any" in trying to "fix" someone else, and I suppose she was right. But to be accused to "hijacking" the thread? Please give me break. Perhaps my post WAS the "straw" that broke the camel's back, but if all that was needed was a "straw" then almost ANY off topic post could have done the trick (and there were plenty of others). If this is REALLY important to us, we could ask AdminAqara what she thought at the time.BUT: To then be accused by RAZD for calling him "stupid" when it was really someone else who said it, then gets backed up by others who failed to check out their facts is another story. Did you read post number 27 above? Notice the quote where RAZD himself uses the word "stupid" while not a single evolutionist jumps on him for it. But evolutionists are quick to accuse creationists in a heartbeat, oh yes.

Check out post # 20.And to your: Well, check out post # 31 above (I did NOT hijack any thread). And check out some of RAZD's other childish posts, not counting railing FALSE accusations he brought against me. You're quick to believe him, but disregard me. If a judge listens to two people who disagree, the judge then needs to shift to full blown evidence (check out post number 27 above).And don't forget about the amazing RAZD quote found in post 227 to arkathon: Why do we label certain posts as childish or abrasive and others not? Totally inconsistent. And have you noticed that nobody just jumped in to chide mikehager for posting false information about me? Or jumped on RAZD for falsely accusing me of calling him stupid when it was really someone else? Totally inconsistent. Can you explain this?Oh, and don't look now; but somebody's thread has been truly hijacked! No hard feelings, though. Keeps the brain cells bouncing.

ok I mixed you up with the one you were egging on with non-essential comments. mea culpa. that does not absolve you of the responsibility for the post that caused the thread to be closed.the comment I made is a paraphrase of one by Richard Dawkins, and it might increase your education to read the whole article:
Ignorance is No Crime
You might want to read the whole article to see where you fit in. You will note that I added deceived to his list, as I think it is more applicable than a blanket insane.For point of reference "insane" also includes but is not limited to deluded whether by one's own mental state or by others who have contributed to it.I put most people who continue with mistaken arguments in the category of {deceived\deluded} once they have shown that ignorance is not the issue.And for the record: I stand by the statement, with the added caveat -- if the shoe fits, wear it.Personally I don't care what your opinion is, and all this ranting is really humorous because, heh, as it appears you don't have much else to say.Certainly you couldn't contribute to the topic that is now closed.I also notice that you did not jump on CreationFan for his comment, so it would appear that you are the hypocrite on this topic.Enjoy. Really.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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Thank you for your effort. I read what you have asked me to read. My decision stands.
Do not respond if you want your thread back on track.
Best wishes to you.

And I guess you didn't read post 27. You falsely accused me of calling you stupid, when it was creationfan who did it. And....? Did you make a mistake or falsely accuse me on PURPOSE?

I expected that. The Dems supported Clinton no matter what he did, simply because he was their man. Evidence didn't matter. Same goes for Bush. You can choose to believe who you want. Do you still believe I call anyone stupid? Show me the posts.

Ok, this thread is out of control. The topic, last time I checked, was Juhrahnimo and CrashFrog discussing CrashFrog's current position on spirituality.We are not here to host flame wars, which is what it looks like this thread is turning into. Everyone involved here needs to step away from the keyboard and chill for a few minutes, ok? Take it easy, think of the other person's position, read over this thread and the others mentioned - and most importantly think about your comments and whether or not they were impolite or inflammatory.The admins might have to close this thread for a few hours to let it cool off, so please try to be polite and reasonable no matter how annoyed you may feel.AdminIRH

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And I guess you didn't read post 27. You falsely accused me of calling you stupid, when it was creationfan who did it. And....? Did you make a mistake or falsely accuse me on PURPOSE?

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And you did the same thing with me on the thread you mentioned - did you make a mistake or falsely accuse me on PURPOSE?

Well, you danced around that one well enough, so apology accepted (for the false accusations).But as the the hijacking of your thread, I still stand by why I said in post in my earlier post, just like you stand by what you said. The post was closed because creationman (incorrectly labeled as my protoge) couldn't stay on topic. I even disagree with that; I think there was some good and interesting conversation between you and he/she. But I respect Adminasqara's decision, because I don't know the whole history of the 320+ posts that came before me.
Again, we can ask Admin what she was really thinking when she closed the thread, and if she'll consider reopening it again since it was so interesting. And I promise to stay clear of it just to make sure I don't get hit by any flying debri. You game? I'll pop the question to Admin.

At this point, does anybody really think Juhrahnimo possesses such spiritual insight that he's going to be able teach me something? Considering how he flies off the handle at the slightest prod to his pride, I doubt it.Might as well close the thread; we're done here. I don't think he's got the maturity for a genuine spiritual debate, or even a friendly discussion.

as I expected.

Ok then. CrashFrog is not interested in continuing the discussion with Juhrahnimo, and the thread appears to be devolving further.Last chance, guys. Make your final posts, if you want to, and I'll close this one down.{edited into admin mode}This message has been edited by AdminIRH, 01-17-2005 12:47 AM

It's not CrashFrog's fault, it's mine. Crashfrog responded in post 12, and I've been encountering some mild turbulence since that time. I'll respond to CF shortly, then if he doesn't answer, then you can close.Thanks so much.

If you wish... make your post, and if CrashFrog responds the thread can continue on topic.Everyone else, please do not respond to off-topic posts. If you want to, you can continue the discussion in another thread; please do not derail this one. I'd like to give Juhrahnimo and CrashFrog a chance to have a friendly discussion. AdminIRH