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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 10 of 20 (17874)
09-20-2002 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by compmage
09-13-2002 10:53 AM


Great post,
You did look at both sides of the issue.
"Evolution theory is therefore a necesary result of the believe that there is no God."
How can evolution which is in the Magesterium of Science be the result of no belief in God? Are you not mixing two separte Magesteria. Science does not acknowledge the existance or denial of God. It is not in the realm of Science. Let us call God, x. And let us call the result which is a scientific thory (s+x). Define: The set, science S and the set Religion R. Set R contains all the varaibles which have to do with questions pertaining to the supernatural and the meaning of life. Set S contains all the varaibles which have to deal with questions pertaining to the natural world and the answers from asking these questions. How on earth can X, God enter the domain of science. It is undefined. It cannot happen. Therefore any thoery that is in science is not a result related to Set R, and vice versa. Keep the two separate as they are two different ways of learning and asking questions. Their parameters are differrent.
Are you creationist not building a puzzle too? You do not actually build yours, you just accept the blueprints by faith. But what if someone falsified them? THen where would you be?
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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 11 of 20 (17879)
09-20-2002 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by compmage
09-17-2002 2:35 PM


Sorry, this reply is long, but it needed to be.
I usually do not post to long and lengthy posts, but in this case I need too.
I have not read the other replies, becuase I want to state things my own way. Even at the risk of repetition.
"The point was that, since no genetic material was left of the animal " - Have a suggestion for this one, read the first chapter of the book GENOME by Matt Ridley. The first chapter has to do with a gene sequence that is found in our genome that leaves genes from our predecessors.
And your exmample, sure this may have been one circumstance, but you are ruling out a myriad of other circumsances. It is possible.
Do not get me started on mathematical probablities, this is my major and passion. I will rip apart any misuse of mathematics of grossly exaggerate the claims on one side or the other. Mathematics is pure, and I will not see it MISUSED.
"why start a religion? " I forget the thread that I addressed this one, but go and check out the faith and belief forum. You should find the answer there. Besides there are many religions that have been started that are widely accepted. You just seem to believe the religion that seems most acceptable to you,
"Besides, I studied argitecture " - I do not mean to be rude, just a little sarcastic. But after two years of study you cannot spell architecture. LOL
"As for the next part, you demonstrated that you have no understanding of my believe system"
Clearly from these two posts in this thread, you do not show the complete understanding of the Magesterium of Science. To turn the tables upon you fairly: Do you understand you Belief system completely? Meaning do you know everything about it? Can you explain everything? I do not think so, becuase if you did, you would be equating yourself with God [if he exists]. Noone completely understands any one field. They take what they know and apply it within the field. I do not mind you responding in the Magesterium of Religion, I will not disagree with anything unless you contradict your own beliefs, but with the Magesterium of Science, I will attack any inconsistencies or misuse of it.
"It is you that need to proof to me that my statement is false." We cannot show why one Magesterium is false with the proof of another Magersterium. Any educated person worth his salt would not encroach upon another discipline with their own ex. creationism vs. evolution. It makes your discipline look weaker and less credible and it annoys the heck out of us you are approaching. Approach us with our terms and we will be able to talk to you.
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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 14 of 20 (18019)
09-23-2002 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Andya Primanda
09-21-2002 4:39 AM


Andya,
Have you read my signature that accompanies my posts. I am also a musician. And yes, thanks.
I think, I may be the only mathematician in here, but I do not know for sure.
See you around.
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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 19 of 20 (18275)
09-25-2002 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by compmage
09-25-2002 9:30 AM


Very good post.
Yet since you are closing the debate, I will not ask the questions I had in mind to ask you.
Nice seeing you around, hope you come back.
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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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