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Hoyle's Mathmatics of Evolution

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RAZD

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Message 4 of 18 (178786)
01-19-2005 11:31 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by MisterOpus1
01-19-2005 12:24 PM

mathematics is a model of reality and not reality

let me start off by pointing out that whenever there has been a significant disagreement between math and reality, reality has won.

take the (legend?) story of the engineer that calculated that bees cannot fly.

this story is humorous to most people because it shows how 'stupid' those engineers are, because he is obviously mistaken.

what is usually determined is that an assumption was in error or some other mistake or ommission was made in the mathematical model or that what is being modeled is not accurate.

math can help you find solutions but they are not THE solutions.

One thing is clear, regardless of the calculations, evolution is occuring and has occured. The bee flies.

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01-20-2005 7:35 AM

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01-20-2005 4:34 AM

Re: mathematics is a model of reality and not reality

I know, but everyone knows the urban legend version.

and notice how, either way, this shows that the model was not correct ...

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Message 9 of 18 (178855)
01-20-2005 7:38 AM

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01-20-2005 2:12 AM

Re: mathematics is a model of reality and not reality

because there is no real "ideal gas" just some that come close, so it is an indicator of general trend of behavior but not an absolute model.

I think you find that in every mathematical model: it has to be an absolute answer for the math, but reality has to many little random elements to be that precise.

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01-20-2005 10:47 PM

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01-20-2005 11:54 AM

macro vs micro ... in DNA

The answer to me has always been that Macro = (N)x(Micro) ... it is just a matter of degree. And the proof to me is in the genetics, where the differences in genes between phylum are the same kind of differences as those seen between species, only more of them.

There waw a thread on this a little while back that got some interesting information into it.
{{"Macro" vs "Micro" genetic "kind" mechanism?}}
http://EvC Forum: "Macro" vs "Micro" genetic "kind" mechanism?

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