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The response did not indicate that it was possible. The responses indicated that, if it were down there (for which there is no evidence, and there is no reason to believe that it's there), it would be extremely hot. If it's way down where the S waves show that there's a liquid layer, several thousand degrees. We don't. Incredibly hot compared to the surface of the Earth, but not hoter thatn the Sun, not by a long shotn. Our best data says that the core of the Earth and the surface of the Sun are at about the same temperature. The interior and core of the sun is incredibly hotter than that. Ther'a a long list of things which can survive that pressure. Water can, if it's hot enough. Looking for something that survives that pressure is no reason to pick diamond. Diamond's on the list of things that can survive that pressure, but so are a lot of other items. Diamond, however, isn't dense enough to explain the seismographic data.

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As a comparison, the observation that S waves did not penetrate a certain layer in the earth led to the hypothesis that there was a liquid layer. I want you to show me the specific data that supports a diamond at the center of the earth.

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So we hypothesize there is a liquid. Also, with great pressure in the core, and some conductivity needed, we would look for something to fit, as well. If our assumption was very hot down there, or very cold, we would look for materials to properly fit our known evidence. This we do.
How many planets in our solar system have an iron core hotter than the sun? How many are though to have a diamond core? I posted a link to show they think, I believe two planets anyhow have diamond cores, they think.
Now, as for the gold, again, that is not yet officially proposed here. I need to do some testing, and research, to see if gold would be liquid at core pressure, and how it would behave in a mantle pressure, and respond to seismic waves. Also, quartz, and some other precious stones. So, the model involves the earth at a cooler interior temperature. It shouldn't be too hard to see which material fits best in the mantle, and outer core.
The evidence and how it fits either the hot or cold is what is important here, not just our predispositions, and assumed temperatures (or ages).

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.

Dear Cosmo/Richard Michael Pasichnyk;Am I correct in my assumption that I am addressing Richard Michael Pasichnyk, the author of "The Vital Vastness -- Volume One: Our Living Earth"? If you are the author, could you please say so, it makes a great difference whether I am discussing your theories with the author or them or just a reader of them. Now on to the earth's core.Even Walt Brown accepts the main stream science view point of the temperature profile of the earth, the reason he does is simple, it has been proven many times over. There is no 'wiggle room' on this one. The earth is cold on the outside and hot on the inside. The temperature increase with depth follows a simple linear progression, or in other words, the deeper you go the hotter it gets. The geothermal gradient averages about 30 C per kilometre. In the world's deepest mines, reaching more than 4 kilometres (2.5 miles) below the surface, if not for chilled ventilation air, the temperatures would be lethal. Think of hot springs and geysers, all heated by the earth's hot interior.I would guess that you have no problem with high temperatures fairly near the earth's surface, you probably believe that at some point deeper down the temperature begins to drop and that the deeper part of the earth is actually cool. (I know of one YEC who claims the earth has an ice core.) The problem is that even with the evidence we see at the earth's surface, we see heat coming from great depths. Volcanos are out pourings of melted rock from deep inside the earth. By the minerals and crystals found in lava and rock, it can be determined how deep the lava was when the crystals formed. Some minerals form different crystal forms at different pressures and temperatures, which act as sort of a record of the temperatures and pressures the lava has under gone. Using diamond anvils and impact experiments where extreme pressures are created in the laboratory, these crystals and minerals have been formed and tested. So the pressures and temperatures that create these things have been directly measured. Some of these minerals have distinguishing properties, and can be detected in seismic surveys of the earth's interior, which in turn reveals the temperature at those depths. By using these results, temperature profile of the earth is known in general terms all the way through. It has even been possible to survey subducted plates that are melting as they descend back into the hot earth. The temperature of the hot liquid outer core is known, these are basic facts that even Walt Brown accepts and builds this theories around these basic points.As for 'hollow rooms' near the center of the earth, there is no element or alloy that could withstand even a tenth of the pressure even if it was cold inside the earth. Plus an air filled cavity would decouple or block the transmission of pressure waves and as a result would appear very prominently on seismic surveys of the earth's interior. P waves in rock is like sound waves in water. when you go swimming and put your head underwater, you can hear very well the sounds in the water. But you can't hear the sounds from above the water very well at all, because they are not being transmitted well from the air to the water. If you were to take a bucket and put it over your head so as to trap an air pocket and go under water, the formerly loud underwater sounds would be barely audible. Deep under ground chambers would be like that bucket of air, the P waves couldn't pass through the pocket. The documented passage of P waves through the earth's center is proof that such pockets do not exist.In reading some of your other posts, I see you are theorizing that the earth's core is actually a diamond. First off, since we can not see, touch or directly check the earth's core, we have a 'black box' that we test indirectly. Now if your 'diamond core' tests the same as the theorized main stream iron core theory, what is the point of your theory? It requires a direct act of God for it's creation, is unstable and doesn't make any sense as to why it was done or what is the advantage of it. The iron core theory doesn't require a miraculous cause, it is stable, and makes common scientific sense. The diamond theory flawed in it's very conception, for while diamonds are the hardest mineral, it is nowhere near the densest with Diamond having a density of only 3.5, iridium has a density of 22.7. So putting a diamond at the center of the earth is like trying to hold a big block of Styrofoam on the bottom of a swimming pool. Diamond's low density will cause it to bob upwards towards the surface of the eath, and it's place would be taken by denser materials like that imaginary gold covering you were talking about. My guess is somebody noticed the density problem and tried to compensate for it by 'weighing down' the light diamond with a heavy gold casing. This will not work at all since it depends on mechanical factors to work, the gold has to be fastened to the diamond to hold it down. The problem is the size of the core is so big that mechanical strength of the gold would be in comparison, nothing. It is a scale thing, on a small scale gold is weak as it is, but think of a tall building made of gold, it would be unable to support it's own weight. The gold would flow like putty under the stress, and the stress of a building is nothing compared trying to hold onto a buoyant core.Now I don't know for sure if you are the author or not, but I will say that the author's claims of biblical support for this theories is a figment of his imagination. Trying reading whatever verses he cites yourself and see if it makes any kind of reasonable sense, step back and look at the context and see if you can reasonable say that yes that is what the writer was trying to say. If you are the author, I would be happy to discuss your biblical interpretations.Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

None.Venus appears to have an iron core about the same temperatures as the Earht's core.This message has been edited by JonF, 01-27-2005 17:01 AM

OK, so it's the arrow picture. Hmm, I can see why you'd be interested in things down, then?

OK, so I got one maybe, and a couple they say are likely. I'm 2 up so far? If it's too early to count earth, then I'll have to settle for being 1 up on you.

Yes some other planets are theorized to have diamond cores. Do you understand the difference between these planets and Earth? Do you understand how these differences might allow a diamond core in those planets and disallow one here?edited to add: What evidence do you have that suggests that Earth has a diamond core?This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-27-2005 17:54 AM

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what is the point of your theory? It requires a direct act of God for it's creation, is unstable and doesn't make any sense

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If you say it does not fit bible, and is unstable, why is it used in the walls of city? You can post in the coffee shop, there on that, if you dare, where things spiritual are allowed. My suggestion, spare yourself the humiliation.

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Volcanos are out pourings of melted rock from deep inside the earth. By the minerals and crystals found

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Hmm, and how deep, (precisely) do they come from? What form were they in before, exactly? As far as what Walt may or may not think, aren't you the guy who posted the big supposed refutation of Walt's whole trip? So now what, you want me to adopt all Walt's beliefs? Maybe he just went along with the commonly accepted, and never thought of something like this?

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Some of these minerals have distinguishing properties, and can be detected in seismic surveys of the earth's interior ..

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And nothing else could possibly be dense, and come up like that with a wave passing through it? You feel a wave can travel underground for thousands of miles, change direction, or speed a little, and this will tell me whether it is one of scores of metals, or crystals, etc?
Or, are you only selecting things that would fit a hot scenario?

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Already said I don't need these at all. (air cavity? you gotta be kidding)
I already dropped the gold as uneeded right at the diamond. Thanks for the tip about gold "flowing like putty", though. Almost sounds like a liquid, and if water is shown not to fit the bill, maybe we'll look at your flowing stuff.

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The geothermal gradient averages about 30 C per kilometre. In the world's deepest mines, reaching more than 4 kilometres (2.5 miles) below the surface, if not for chilled ventilation air, the temperatures would be lethal. Think of hot springs and geysers..

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Yes, I think we know this. Now if a global plate event as a result of flood events was triggered, a lot of heat would be around, no? Question is, how low would it go?
As far as personal details of any kind, I don't do those on forums. It's not personal, just an exploration of ideas.{Fixed a quote box - AM}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 01-27-2005 20:25 AM

No, I don't think a diamond happened to form in our basement over billions of years from 'natural causes' if that's what you're asking. Neither do I think the earth formed that way. Guess that's why some think it is a grand fluke, others a grand design.
But no time here to get into where big bang's creator cup o soup came from, and what quantum freak happened to pop out of no where and provide the materials! Then the chance appearance of life, and all the rest of that stuff. I guess we just have to deal with what we got here now, and see how the evidence fits.

This is interesting - if you are not the author - just say no, that doesn't identify you does it?

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either trolling or very dense (pretending to be dense is trolling)"siggy" as in signature, as in the block below the short line. If you go into your profile you will see a section where you can enter a signature, and then there are check boxes on the reply window to Jacen is refering to the link in his signature about style suggestions by sylas, including ...paragraphs.enjoyand my "siggy" is:This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-27-2005 19:35 AM

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