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Author Topic:   A serious question to evolutionists
Mister Pamboli
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Message 2 of 15 (18145)
09-24-2002 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Delshad
09-24-2002 11:52 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
Lets first begin with a human eye-brow and why it is there and how it evolved according to some evolutionists:
Its function is said to be that it keeps the sweat away from our eyes.
You and me are both agreable on that.

Depends what you mean by "function" - it's a loaded term.
If used in a purposive sense it may give the impression that the eyebrow is somehow intended to perform that function. This teleological approach may be too strong.
However, you may mean simply that the eyebrow is there, and being there, keeps sweat out of the eye, and by keeping sweat out of the eye confers a slight selective advantage and therefore we can talk, after the fact, of its de facto function.
I hate analogical reasoning, but let me try ...
I have a screwdriver which I use for opening paint tins. It's function is a paint tin opener, but that is not its purposive function: it was not designed for that. But it is now used only for this , so its de facto function is as a paint tin opener. When I went through my old tools in spring for a charity garage sale, I selected the old screwdriver and kept it back - for its function as a tin opener, though it was never intended to be one.
You see, evolution does not need to plan ahead. It simply doesn't work that way. The screwdriver had no plan to be a paint tin opener - but it happened to do the job and now it survives in my tool box. And, by the way, the special paint tin opener given me by HomeBase last time I bought paint there: that was one of the first things chucked into the garage sale! Who needs it when I have an old, rather bashed about, imperfect, but very functional screwdriver?
Now I remember why I hate analogies!
Anyway, you probably thought you were starting with an easy, "everyone-will-agree-with-this-so-lets-get-on-to-the-real-problem-with-evolution" sort of statement. Would that life were so simple, Delshad.
[B][QUOTE]But after reading this I hope you wont make any wrong turns.[/B][/QUOTE]
Let's see how well you keep us on the straight path, then, shall we?
[B][QUOTE]First of all evolution through natural selection doesnt have a CONCIENCE, so as to say it cant plan ahead or determine ANYTHING. Just wanted to make that clear.[/B][/QUOTE]
I presume you mean "consciousness" rather than "conscience." If you want to make things clear, best to use the right words. But perhaps you did mean "moral sense", though it is difficult to see moral significance of an eyebrow.
[B][QUOTE]So in order for even a single hair above the eye to arise, a mutation (replacement of the genetical structure of the DNA) have had to occure.[/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmm. Don't you think the question in human evolution would be "how come all the hair on our ancestors hairy ape faces disappeared except for the eyebrow?"
[B][QUOTE]Most of the people know that mutations are almost always harmful or at its peak, inefficient.
That is to say, that the probabilities for a mutation to occur is very ,very low.[/B][/QUOTE]
I think you mean the "probabilities for a mutation which will be selected for" are very low. The probabilities of a mutation are very high indeed - practically 1, given the nature of DNA transcription. That is why you don't look exactly like either of your parents, and why even identical twins have differences.
[B][QUOTE]Then the probability for this new hair to arise just at the convenient spot (above the eye to prevent the sweat reaching the eye)is also very ,very low.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, as I said before, the other descendents of our ancestors are covered with hair all over their foreheads: I think you are asking the wrong question.
[B][QUOTE]Then finally and here`s the important bit,( because improbabilities tend to be widely accepted by evolutionists) is that ONE hair isnt enough to make ANY sort of advantage to the bearer.[/B][/QUOTE]
Homer Simpson seems to think so! Oh but hang on - he has two!

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Mister Pamboli
Member (Idle past 7598 days)
Posts: 634
From: Washington, USA
Joined: 12-10-2001


Message 5 of 15 (18148)
09-24-2002 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nos482
09-24-2002 12:33 PM


Just spotted this one in Delshad's post (my emphasis)...
quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
I hope youll be able to give a descent answer to my question and ill always try to response back. Good luck
If that was deliberate, it's one of the best puns I've seen from a creationist!

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