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tsig
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Message 1 of 164 (181270)
01-28-2005 4:06 AM


While reading the many posts by thiests on this board I have become confused because each one seems to be talking about a different entity, so I have two questions.
1. Can any two believers on this board agree on a definition of god?
2. What moral code is derived from that god?

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tsig
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Message 5 of 164 (181545)
01-29-2005 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by DominionSeraph
01-28-2005 11:54 PM


There probably are two, but I'm not sure how that or their definition would be useful.
For example, we can probably agree that Frodo is the Hobbit that destroyed the One Ring. That ain't saying much, though.
Actually Frodo didn't. In the end he couldn't do it and Gollum got the Inadvertent honor.
Please don't mess with the word. LOL

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tsig
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Message 6 of 164 (181558)
01-29-2005 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by arachnophilia
01-29-2005 12:17 AM


Whenever two or more are gathered in my name
2 is dependent on 1, and i suspect the answer to 1 is probably "no."+
{added h to whenever}
I'm sure you are right. Even if they could agree on 1 they probably would find a way to disagree on 2.
You can see the problem this presents for athiests.
This message has been edited by Flying Hawk, 01-29-2005 02:28 AM

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tsig
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Message 10 of 164 (182208)
02-01-2005 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dr Jack
01-31-2005 7:22 AM


Surely, if God is, then he cannot be defined - definitions apply to categories not individuals.
But individuals that actually exist can be defined. A god that cannot be defined looks remarkably nonexistant.

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tsig
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Message 11 of 164 (182209)
02-01-2005 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by riVeRraT
01-31-2005 7:15 AM


Re: Yourself
Well since everyone is different, and we all need God in a different way, I would expect all that to happen.
Again the mistake is that God is God, and man is man, do not confuse the 2. You cannot judge who God is by judging others, you can only look to yourself. You cannot even determine if God exists by looking at the behavior of others, only yourself.
So the proof of god's existence is my behavior?

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tsig
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Message 21 of 164 (182465)
02-02-2005 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by PecosGeorge
02-01-2005 12:25 PM


Re: Yourself
And another thing....take your eyes off Christ and you are lost. Looking to yourself achieves nothing, as does looking to others.
Could you define Christ? Is Christ god?

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tsig
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Message 22 of 164 (182468)
02-02-2005 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by CK
02-01-2005 7:58 PM


Re: Yourself
I would have thought that the Bible would be the centerpiece of any definition of god by Christians. Not so, there have been some attempts, but nothing real.

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tsig
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Message 26 of 164 (182616)
02-02-2005 3:28 PM
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02-02-2005 8:04 AM


Re: Yourself
'Son of God'
Back to the OP then.
So god is an entity that can have a son and be the son at the same time?

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tsig
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Message 28 of 164 (182751)
02-03-2005 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by riVeRraT
02-02-2005 6:11 AM


Re: Yourself
I cannot explain away things that I see, feel, and happen to me. Not to mention that the bible is 100% correct (especially the new testament).
So the OT is not especially 100% correct?
You can't qualify an absolute.

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tsig
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Message 29 of 164 (182752)
02-03-2005 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by PecosGeorge
02-02-2005 3:46 PM


Re: Yourself
Strange, isn't it. It's like one of those things you might find in them 'hollers' in Caintuck or West'by god'Virginia. Where I can be my own grandpa.
Your avatar looks way to young to remeber that song.lol

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tsig
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Message 33 of 164 (182771)
02-03-2005 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by riVeRraT
02-03-2005 5:50 AM


Re: Yourself
what makes up your "mind"?
Chemical reactions. That's why I eat.

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tsig
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Message 34 of 164 (182775)
02-03-2005 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by riVeRraT
02-03-2005 6:20 AM


Re: Yourself
[q]People in this forum are famous for taking things out of context from the OT and using that as a reason to not believe in God. It is not neccesary to know the OT to know God either. It will help you understand things better as you go.[/qs]
Is the OT the word of god? If it is it seems neccesery to follow it.

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tsig
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Message 40 of 164 (182911)
02-03-2005 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by riVeRraT
02-03-2005 7:40 AM


Re: Yourself
What programs those chemical reactions?
What makes up your spirit
Nothing has to program chemical reactions, they just happen.
Never found a spirit. Looked hard.

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tsig
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Message 47 of 164 (183224)
02-05-2005 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by PecosGeorge
02-03-2005 11:12 AM


Re: Yourself
You are right. Whats in an avatar?

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tsig
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Message 48 of 164 (183228)
02-05-2005 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by apostolos
02-04-2005 4:23 PM


Re: Isaiah 40:31
I have a definition of God (though I would disagree and say that I merely aggree with the Bible's definition).
Whenever you reach a consensus please share it with us.

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