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Genesis: is it to be taken literally?

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crashfrog
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Message 250 of 301 (182057)
01-31-2005 12:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 249 by Terry48420
01-31-2005 12:03 PM

I don't see why God would give us a creation order that is totally invalid by science today unless science is mistaken.
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God works in mysterious ways, doesn't He?
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The third possibility, of course, is that you're mistaken about the origin of the Bible. But even if you aren't, you're second-guessing God.
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Message 270 of 301 (182166)
01-31-2005 9:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 267 by Terry48420
01-31-2005 9:11 PM

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Those from God of course...All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. II Tim 3:16,17
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How can a book substantiate its own divinity?
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I'd like to hear it from God, please. Anyone can write a book and say "God wrote this." Oh, wait, many already have.
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crashfrog
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02-01-2005 10:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 272 by Terry48420
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However, I believe it is devine and should be taken literally except where the context dictates otherwise.
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Which I think I've made pretty clear is the case for Genesis. I mean, consider your passage from Timothy:
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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Nowhere in that list does it say that scriptures is profitable for information about the natural world; or as a recount of ancient history; or for any purpose besides how one is supposed to live as a Christian.
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I mean, it seems pretty clear to me - Genesis is poetry and contains clear signals that its a mythological account; and the Bible makes specific claims about its purpose, none of which are to be an accurate account of the natural history of the Earth.
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02-01-2005 3:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 275 by Terry48420
02-01-2005 12:45 PM

God's word can not lie.
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Shakespeare is a liar?
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When it gives historical information, it is accurate.
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Only when you assume it is. When you actually try to verify that accuracy, you find that the Bible and the historical account from other sources don't agree.
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God's word would not be true if he gave an account of an event that never happened or was factually incorrect.
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So Shakespeare is a liar?
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To lie you have to be presenting falsehood as truth. Genesis is not presented as a historical account; its presented as a poem about the creative nature of God, and his relationship to his creation.
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Genesis is not presented as a true story.
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crashfrog
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02-01-2005 4:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 286 by Terry48420
02-01-2005 3:33 PM

Shakespheare wrote plays...he never claimed they were true.
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To the contrary, a number of his plays portray English historical events. They're not presented with disclaimers that deny their historical accuracy. Neither, of course, does he claim it literally happened that way.
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Is Shakespeare a liar?
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The Bible claims to be "Truth".
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No, the Bible claims to be God-breathed, and profitable for reproof, doctrine, and teaching, so that the readers of the Bible may be righteous.
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It does not claim to be a history textbook. That's your erroneous interpretation. It does not claim that the account of Genesis is literally how it happened.
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Archeology has proven many of the historical facts and has never proved it wrong.
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Archeology proves that the Flood never happened. That's one thing, right there.
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crashfrog
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02-01-2005 4:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 291 by Terry48420
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Geology according to some proves that there was a catastrophic world wide flood.
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No, it doesn't.
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BTW the Bible does claim to be truth
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Truth, but not a historical account. Truth for the purpose of the righteousness of its students.
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