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Percy
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Message 16 of 157 (18312)
09-25-2002 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Minnemooseus
09-25-2002 9:51 PM


Debate with Terry is an investigation into abnormal psychology, not a discussion. The last post of the exchange leading to my banning back in November of 2000 is message 75 of the Is light speed REALLY a constant? thread.
--Percy

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Minnemooseus
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Message 17 of 157 (18318)
09-26-2002 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
09-25-2002 10:39 PM


For what it's worth to anybody - I skimmed the remainder of the topic thread without noticing any banning commentary. Apparently Percy's was a stealth banning.
Moose

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wj
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Message 18 of 157 (18322)
09-26-2002 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
09-25-2002 10:39 PM


Ah, another debater with a skeleton in the closet. Should there be a "banned by Terry" support group?

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Message 19 of 157 (18341)
09-26-2002 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Minnemooseus
09-26-2002 12:43 AM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
For what it's worth to anybody - I skimmed the remainder of the topic thread without noticing any banning commentary. Apparently Percy's was a stealth banning.
Moose

Or actually showing him to be wrong is a banning offence?

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Percy
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Message 20 of 157 (18348)
09-26-2002 10:00 AM
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09-26-2002 12:43 AM


Messages about the banning were there for a while, then Terry deleted them.
Terry is interested not in debate but in maintaining the appearance at his site that Creationists have the upper hand. And he's successful in that. Evolutionist members who are persistent in presenting their views will eventually be banned on one pretext or another. He's entertaining to watch, but that's about it. He occasionally ventures out to sites like usenet's Talk.Origins where he takes a beating then disappears for long periods.
I wonder if he'd show if someone invited him here.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 21 of 157 (18355)
09-26-2002 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by wj
09-20-2002 2:06 AM


My experience was very similar in the Is light speed REALLY a constant? thread. Once he latched onto an interpretation he liked he would not let go of it. Pointing out that his interpretation of a passage rendered it contradictory to the rest of the article or introducing other articles making the point in a different way does not budge him. In my case he stopped discussing the actual issue and just posted messages declaring I was wrong and just wouldn't admit it. I assume he still believes there are scientists out there working on faster-than-light computers, just as he apparently believes stellar evolution is rapid.
With Terry it's, "Don't confuse me with the facts, because I get confused really easily. I know what I believe and you're wrong, and if you persist you're also banned!"
--Percy

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wj
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Message 22 of 157 (18380)
09-26-2002 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
09-26-2002 12:15 PM


Yes Percy, it is very worrying behaviour from an engineer.
I'm sure it would be amusing to see Terry in an open forum where he couldn't exercise control. Maybe an invitation and a promise of us all being civil and treating the most absurd creatioist assertions with due respect will entice him to appear. Any suggestions on which board he might pop up in and what pseudonym he has used?

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Minnemooseus
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Message 23 of 157 (18383)
09-26-2002 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
09-26-2002 12:15 PM


Something I posted on 3/21/02, in the "Ignorance and Arrogance" topic.
quote:
I just discovered this Glenn Morton production at:
The Talk.Origins Archive Post of the Month: February 2002
Here it is, in its entirety:
and
quote:
Morton's Demon
Post of the Month: February 2002
by Glenn Morton
I quoted it in it's entirety at: http://EvC Forum: Ignorance and Arrogance -->EvC Forum: Ignorance and Arrogance , so I won't repeat it here.
Terry seems to be a prime example of someone under the influence of "Morton's Demon".
Moose
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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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wj
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Message 24 of 157 (18401)
09-27-2002 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Minnemooseus
09-26-2002 11:30 PM


Actually Moose I recall Terry saying at one point that he had corresponded with Glenn Morton at some earlier time on flood geology or some such matter and was of the opinion that Morton was incompetent or dishonest (I forget which).
Perhaps Morton's observations, Morton's Deamon included, were too close to the bone for Terry's comfort.

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Percy
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Message 25 of 157 (18438)
09-27-2002 12:49 PM


I appear to be unbanned: Email from MSN Talk Origins
I was still banned, so I reapplied, identified myself in case he'd forgotten, and apparently Terry let me in. Go figure.
Added by edit: Whoops! Spoke too soon. I'm still banned. I guess readmission doesn't affect the ban list. Stay tuned...
--Percy
[This message has been edited by Percipient, 09-27-2002]

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Minnemooseus
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Message 26 of 157 (18535)
09-29-2002 11:06 AM


Fresh exchanges w/ Terry - In rapid canyon carving topic here
Moose (Message 13):
quote:
I was visiting a friend last week, in a area I had never visited before. In his back yard, he had a stream in a 4 foot deep gulley. While I was there, there happened the largest rainstorm ever historicly known in that area. Just before I left, I notices that, in the last 24 hours, the stream had cut the gulley an additional 4 feet deeper.
This situation made me curious, so I had to ask my friend, "Where did that stream run 48 hours ago, before it started cutting the channel through your yard?"
Moose
Terry responded (message 14):
quote:
Good analogy, moose -
you have shown the falacy of uniformitarian thinking, and have begun to grasp catastrophism, which YEC's believe to be of much greater influence on geological features that OAE's do. It is absolutely WRONG to observe a process today, and make the assumption that it has always been thus.
Terry
Moose (message 15):
quote:
Moose reply: And it is equally absolutely wrong to observe a catastrophic event in the geologic record, and to then asssume that you can extend the effects of that event back in time and/or forward in time.
Just because there is evidence that a portion of the Grand Canyon was eroded rapidly, does not mean that the earlier or later part of the errosion was also rapid.
Moose
ps: The concept of uniformitarianism has long included catastrophic events sometimes happening. One, however, must assume that non-catastrophic processes are the norm, when there is no evidence of a catastrophic event.
Added by edit 2:
Message 16 from Moose (typos/misspellings preserved), at the Talk Origins board is:
quote:
I wish to modify:
"Moose reply: And it is equally absolutely wrong to observe a catastrophic event in the geologic record, and to then asssume that you can extend the effects of that event back in time and/or forward in time."
into
"Moose reply: And it is equally absolutely wrong to observe a catastrophic event, be it in the present, or be it in the geologic record, and to then asssume that you can extend the effects of that event back in time and/or forward in time.
Added by edit 1: Terry bungled his response, above and beyond my expectations!
Moose
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[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 09-29-2002]
Still more by edit #3 (message 17):
quote:
Terry in message 14:
"Good analogy, moose -
you have shown the falacy of uniformitarian thinking, and have begun to grasp catastrophism, which YEC's believe to be of much greater influence on geological features that OAE's do. It is absolutely WRONG to observe a process today, and make the assumption that it has always been thus."
I think I've long had a pretty good grasp of the concept of catastrophism. I am, however, getting a much better grasp on the YEC perspective of catastrophism.
Moose
and message #18:
quote:
And that is, catastrophe is the norm, and normal is a catastrophe.
Moose
[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 09-29-2002]

  
mark24
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Message 27 of 157 (18544)
09-29-2002 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Percy
09-27-2002 12:49 PM


Percy,
This is daft, why were you banned?
Mark
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Minnemooseus
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Message 28 of 157 (18546)
09-29-2002 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by wj
09-27-2002 3:04 AM


quote:
I recall Terry saying at one point that he had corresponded with Glenn Morton at some earlier time on flood geology or some such matter and was of the opinion that Morton was incompetent or dishonest
To say the least. What some creationists have said about Morton, at the Talk Origins board (I think), would easily have gotten an evolutionist banned, had it been said about a YEC. It might even have gotten a poster chastised at .
Fortunatly, here at , we have Kent Hovand, available for slurring by both evolutionists and creationists.
Moose

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wj
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Message 29 of 157 (18551)
09-29-2002 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by mark24
09-29-2002 7:10 PM


It would appear that the evidence of Percy's ban at MSN talk.origins has been removed but I can give you the banning of Joe Meert at the same site.
The Ocean Depth Pangea Problem thread
At message #18 is Joe's offending message. Terry's version of reality is detailed at message #22. I take no small kudos for having Terry leave the incriminating evidence on the board. And Terry has been oblivious to how damaging the evidence is to his own credibility.
Interestingly this was one topic where the creationists completely failed to address the initial topic. Terry had by then decided not to tackle Joe Meert in an area of Joe's expertise.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 30 of 157 (18553)
09-29-2002 11:16 PM
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09-29-2002 10:40 PM


wj, that's the same link, as the "here" that you asked about back on page 1 of this topic. Well, that goes to show, a "The Ocean Depth Pangea Problem thread" is better that a "here".
By the way, in case you didn't notice, the "here" type business can be done with either HTML or UBB code. See the respective help topics, if you wish.
By the way, did you notice that I adopted the "homely anecdote" method, in my current Terry project (also as documented a bit up this page)? I think I'm entering a bit into his mindset, and it is a bit of a trip into the twilight zone.
Moose

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