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Message 4 of 39 (183280)
02-05-2005 1:13 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by daaaaaBEAR
02-05-2005 1:41 AM

Is evolution responsible for our behavior?

Possibly. There are many indications that certain behaviors are caused by genetic traits. The question is whether all behaviors have such basic causes, or if any or all behaviors have a single cause, the Nature vs Nuture issue.

I'm bringing up this topic because I realized that evolution, with the advancement of our physical bodies, would also develop the way we act if my logic is right.

Once again, evolution is not related to advancing or improving things. It is simply a history of what did happen. It's not bad to good, worse to better, less advanced to more advanced. It is simply history.

If this is true then how is murder, rape, cannibalism, etc. justified?

Well, whether any of those are good or bad depends on the society and its moral system. Each of those could be said to have either an advantage or disadvantage as far as evolution would be concerned so they would have to be said to be neutral behaviors themselves. It is only when they are set against some moral framework that they take on any conotations of good or bad or right or wrong.

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Message 10 of 39 (183475)
02-06-2005 9:35 AM

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02-06-2005 1:54 AM

When you are talking about evolution of species, it is the first definition that applies. Notice that there is no mention of better or worse, bad or good in the first definition.

The Bible is history too, and its accurate without a doubt.

We'll, as a Christian I have to ask how you came to that conclusion, but it is off topic for this thread. If you think the Bible is historically accurate come on over to some of the threads discussing that.

So murder can be right for you but not for me?!?!?!

Where did I say that?

You said it could also be a disadvantage but to claim that rape or murder might possibly be beneficial to the advancement of human beings is downright offensive to the human race.

And I said that where?

without absolute truth our society is chaos.

Again, totally off topic but if you are aware of an absolute truth, please come join one of those discussions.

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Message 12 of 39 (183542)
02-06-2005 3:06 PM

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02-06-2005 2:47 PM

So if a person is from a different country then murder is OK because of the moral structure or one's religious affiliation?

Well, I didn't say that, the Bible does.

You didn't say it in terms of me and you, obviously, but what you implied is that murder or any other sin's moral value is based upon the society and its moral system?

That's correct. The Bible is full of immoral act commited by very moral people.

Evolution does not agree with this because our behavior would just be the way we evolved.

No, the Theory of Evolution says nothing about behavior. And, as I said, there is both Nature and Nurture. Morals are established by the community. that is something entirely seperate.

Just look at what you posted in response to my comments. From that perspective a "sin" (if you have morals) may have an evolutionary advantage over another. If this is true then carnivores such as lions, sharks, etc. are the same as murderers. Except that carnivores kill so they can live....Why do humans kill other humans? Does it benefit our existence? Carnivores kill because they have to and its instinct but humans function on a level of right and wrong.

Stop and think about what you're saying and break it down step by step.

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Message 14 of 39 (183554)
02-06-2005 4:06 PM

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02-06-2005 3:32 PM

daaaaaBEAR writes:

Here are two things you said:

There are many indications that certain behaviors are caused by genetic traits.

and

the Theory of Evolution says nothing about behavior.

If that's not self-contradictory I don't know what is. Aren't genetic traits PART of evolution? Please order your thoughts.

Well, perhaps you really don't know.

Sorry but they are not contradictory. The first says that there is some indication that certain behaviors are genetic in origin. What does that have to do with the TOE? You may also want to try to understand the difference between Evolution and the TOE. That would be a good place to start.

daaaaaBear then goes on to ask...

I would like to ask why you to try to discredit the Bible to use for your support.

As you say, this is off topic but I'll give you a short answer. Of course I have proof that the Bible is full of immoral act commited by very moral people. It even shows instances where canibalism are the required behavior for the chosen people. But wander over to one of the threads where we discuss such issues and we can continue.

edited to add requisite spalling arrers.

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Message 24 of 39 (242002)
09-09-2005 9:08 PM

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09-09-2005 9:01 PM

Way, way off topic.

I'm sorry but we are on the science side. Your comments have absolutely nothing to do with the question.

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