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simple 
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Message 301 of 310 (183868)
02-08-2005 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by NosyNed
02-07-2005 11:35 PM


undeclared winner
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. Various models are proposed, the evidence is used to batter at them, the one(s) remaining standing are the current champions.
Do I detect a little note of glee you managed to be still standing after the whole first round? I didn't need to win this round, just see your best punches!
Also I couldn't hit too hard with 4 refs trying to declare a tko for evo, and not allowing G o d, because He has no Phd! And a lurking crowd with the thumbs down, and the noses up!
But thanks for the memories.

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Message 302 of 310 (183875)
02-08-2005 4:16 AM
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02-08-2005 3:03 AM


Re: undeclared winner
now now no need to be so sour.

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simple 
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Message 303 of 310 (183881)
02-08-2005 4:57 AM
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02-08-2005 4:16 AM



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Message 304 of 310 (183882)
02-08-2005 5:25 AM
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02-08-2005 4:57 AM



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Percy
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Message 305 of 310 (183901)
02-08-2005 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by simple
02-08-2005 3:03 AM


Re: undeclared winner
simple writes:
Also I couldn't hit too hard with 4 refs trying to declare a tko for evo, and not allowing G o d, because He has no Phd!
Actually, your disadvantage is worse than that. Let me explain.
Creationism claims it is genuine science every bit as valid as evolution, and further that it should be represented in school curiculums alongside evolution. EvC Forum was created to explore these claims.
Once you cite God on the side of Creationism, you automatically contradict the claim that Creationism is science. Imagine going before one of the state school boards of education that have been in the news recently, such as Ohio and Kansas, and claiming that geophysicists are wrong about the earth's interior because God needed a reservoir of water from which to produce the flood. Your fellow Creationists would immediately disown you, because they've been working hard to show that Creationism stands independent of God and evangelical Christianity.
Claims that God should be included as a possibility in scientific endeavors are not ruled out at EvC Forum, but they're usually discussed in either the [forum=-11] or [forum=-6] forums.
--Percy

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simple 
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Message 306 of 310 (184050)
02-09-2005 4:33 AM
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02-08-2005 9:33 AM


quit while you're still ahead
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Once you cite God on the side of Creationism, you automatically contradict the claim that Creationism is science
Once you cite ommision of God you contradict the claim that science is true science.
quote:
Imagine going before one of the state school boards of education that have been in the news recently, such as Ohio and Kansas, and claiming that geophysicists are wrong about the earth's interior because God needed a reservoir of water from which to produce the flood
That's funny. If I went before the board, I would be ready to meet the evidence as well as the godless variety can do! Sidebar. I was interested to find out that, despite expected increased density at the outer core, the waves act just the opposite! As if it was less dense, they slow down. ( Attempted explanation, it's more elastic, I believe) I also am exploring some water-hydrogen combinations that seem to be a possible liquid mix at the density there. Better close the thread quick, so Ned can at least feel he survived round 1!
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Your fellow Creationists would immediately disown you, because they've been working hard to show that Creationism stands independent of God and evangelical Christianity
Maybe it does. Is it any wonder, then you been slappin them around a bit in some things?
Claims of any creator, be it some mysterious force that provided the big bang with material for all the universe, or some god, or God all still leave us existing here and now. No one can prove their creator in this world. All we can do is see how the evidence best is explained.

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Coragyps
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Message 307 of 310 (184055)
02-09-2005 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by simple
02-09-2005 4:33 AM


Re: quit while you're still ahead
I also am exploring some water-hydrogen combinations that seem to be a possible liquid mix at the density there.
Pure hydrogen peroxide should be your number one target candidate. It'll even help your Fountains of the Deep break forth better. Y'know, to launch asteroids 'n' stuff.

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JonF
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Message 308 of 310 (184060)
02-09-2005 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by simple
02-09-2005 4:33 AM


Re: quit while you're still ahead
Once you cite ommision of God you contradict the claim that science is true science.
Ah, the old "no true scotsman" fallacy.
As you know, you agreed that when you make assertions around here you will support them with discussion and evidence. Please support that assertion in the "True science" must include God? topic.
If I went before the board, I would be ready to meet the evidence as well as the godless variety can do!
Certainly not if your performance in this thread is any indication of your knowledge and ability.
Better close the thread quick, so Ned can at least feel he survived round 1!
No need for that; no worries, no problem. You're no threat to the established theories. You're too blinded by your preconceptions to see the light.
Your fellow Creationists would immediately disown you, because they've been working hard to show that Creationism stands independent of God and evangelical Christianity.
Maybe it does.
Creationsits have been trying for many years to show that it does, and they've failed miserably in both the scientific and legal arenas. Especially in the legal arenas, where they've been trying awfully hard to conceal their religious motivations but failed .. because there's absolutely no scientific reason for wanting their twaddle taught in the schools, and that's still obvious to a casual observer.
{edited to add link to new thread}
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Percy
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Message 309 of 310 (184079)
02-09-2005 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by simple
02-09-2005 4:33 AM


Re: quit while you're still ahead
simple writes:
quote:
Once you cite God on the side of Creationism, you automatically contradict the claim that Creationism is science
Once you cite ommision of God you contradict the claim that science is true science.
If you really believe this, then I suggest you take this up in a thread in the [forum=-11] forum.
That's funny. If I went before the board, I would be ready to meet the evidence as well as the godless variety can do!
As someone else said, not if this thread is any indication. Your approach so far has been, "Is there any evidence that the core isn't water? How about gold? How about diamond? How about hyrdrogren? How about a fine cabernet?" For you it seems science is a game of 20 questions.
All we can do is see how the evidence best is explained.
And I'm sure all here would agree. But what evidence is causing you to question current scientific views of the earth's inner structure?
--Percy

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Message 310 of 310 (184091)
02-09-2005 12:16 PM


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