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Author Topic:   Who Owes Income Taxes?
kjsimons
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Message 13 of 80 (184542)
02-11-2005 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Clark
02-10-2005 7:34 PM


Re: We the People
...the 16th amendment states
I think the point most of "we don't have to pay income tax" folks take is that the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified and therefore is not the law of the land and so income taxes can't be collected.

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kjsimons
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Message 15 of 80 (184556)
02-11-2005 10:48 AM
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02-11-2005 10:23 AM


Re: We the People
But in any case, it really is a moot point. Section 8 clause 1 of the Constitution gives Congress unlimited scope relating to taxes.
Actually it appears that:
Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. (See Note 7)
Note 7: This Clause has been affected by amendment XVI.
This was the clause superceded by Ammendment XVI, the without apportionment bit.

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kjsimons
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Message 17 of 80 (184560)
02-11-2005 11:04 AM
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02-11-2005 10:58 AM


Re: We the People
Wouldn't mind seeing a reduction though.
LOL! Me neither! I hope congress remembers to increase the AMT deductions. The tempory fix they made to it expires after the 2006 tax year. If you get hit by that, it's a hefty tax increase!

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Message 19 of 80 (184577)
02-11-2005 11:46 AM
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02-11-2005 11:38 AM


Re: We the People
Well how about we have a reduction in wars so that we can have a reduction in taxes!

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Message 21 of 80 (184585)
02-11-2005 12:28 PM
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02-11-2005 12:20 PM


Hey! My part of the state, Orlando, was blue, really, honestly!!!!

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Message 24 of 80 (184595)
02-11-2005 12:59 PM
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02-11-2005 12:46 PM


Another version of the new map!
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