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nos482 Inactive Member |
They were talking about this on the CNN show 'Talkback Live' today and most of them don't have a clue of what they were speaking about. They kept using the old "It would only be fair" claim. Man being evolved from apes (We share a common ancestor with the other primates.) and the like. As I've stated before, science education in the USA is a joke.
Plus, one of the guests, Curtis Elder, wants to privatize the school system so that they can teach whatever nonsense they want. If science education is a mess now wait until that happens. Here is one of the new subjects to be taught as fact; Flat Earth Geology 101: Don't go near the edge. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-27-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Speaking of being brain washed. For the last time, creationism isn't a valid "alternative" to Evolution for the very fact that creationism isn not and never will be science, it is religiously inspired pseudo-science. Evolution is not about god or how life got started, you moron. You must be one since you just can't (won't) get the idea. To be fair, as seems to be your excuse for imposing your religious beliefs on all, the schools will also have to start teaching astrology, alchemy, Flat Earth Geology, and an Earth centred solar system as "Alternatives" "just to be fair" since many people still believe in these things. Plus they are also going to have to teach ALL creation myths as well, just to be fair, and there are over 150 of them. What are YOU afraid of? Over half for and against? You should learn math as well. Maybe the students should call Miss Cleo to get their marks so the can decide if they should bother studying as well? [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-01-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: See what I mean about not suffering fools gladly?
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Gravity hasn't been completely proven either. Should we start teaching that little blue fairies are what is pulling us down as an alternative as well? Using your logic teaching that the Earth is flat is just as valid as creationism because many people still believe in it as well. What are YOU afraid of. No, modern science hasn't stated that they have proven how life started. You still don't have a clue of how science works.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: If Creationists had their way that book would be the bible.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Nothing since there is no legitimate scientific alternative. Guess the kiddies get a free period.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: WTF are you talking about?
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Mammuthus Gravity and QM work just fine. QM works to over 10 decimal places. And the same could be said for Evolution as well. We just don't know exactly why they work as they do that is why they are called a theory, yet can still be considered facts. Macroevolution has not been demonstrated at all let alone quantitaively. Got a few thousand years or more to wait? Please stop confusing macroevoltuion with proven natural You're the one who is confused. selection. We have no problem with you brainwashing kids with Galapogos and finches. It's where you try and push that natural selction (or anything else) has been proven to have generated the genuine novelties that distinguish higher taxa that we claim unjustified brainwashing. It's conspiracy I tell ya!!!!!
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I think that the main reason why creationists keep spouting the same nonsense is that after awhile they think that we'll just give up and then they can declare a victory over us. That if they say something enough times it will become true. Or, all it takes for something to be true is for them to say it.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Maybe we should ask Miss Cleo if (s)he'll ever see the "errors of his/her ways"? [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-02-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Yes, {s}he's a master "de"bator. (The pun loses some of its punch with the word Mistress.) [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-02-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: She? I thought that I was speaking to a guy.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RedVento:
quote: Didn't you know that it isn't lying when you do it in god's name? (I know, I can be a bastard sometimes )
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
All I do not support brainwashing of any kind. I used the term 'OK to brainwash about Galapogos' to emphasize that Galapogos is a fact! It is not "brainwashing" to show that something is a fact. Have I said anywhere that I want to teach anyone about specific 'creation myths'. You can't class 'organisms and genes exist in distinct families which is suggestive of creation by a higher being' as a specific creation myth. After making such a statemnt a teacher would then demosntrate the statment with evidence. No Bible, no Koran at all. Without these there is no "evidence" to speak of so you HAVE to talk creation myths. I know this will never happen outside the US south in government schools. Public schools where ALL children can get a fair education. I believe you have seared your own consciences to think that creation cannot be discussed as a possibility for the origin of distinct lifeforms in a science class. Irrelevant. Creation is religiously inspired pseudo-science only, it is not a valid science. If God created just think what stupidity you are arguing. We're not arguing this, you are. If God doesn't exist you simply allowed for the second obvious possibility. Which is? Prove that your god does exist.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
nos482 I agree it is not "brainwashing" to show that something is a fact - next time I will use inverted commas to indicate I am trying to be funny. Don't quit your dayjob. I am not referring to the Bible as evidence of creaiton. I am referring to the distinct lifeform families and distinct gene families as evidence. You seem to think that if God created there could not be any evidence. There is and I told you what we think it is. Since a priori God could have created, and a priori there could be evidence of this then it is scientifically biased to not consider the evidence from that point of view. Who created god? And of course we think the eivdence strongly points that way. You obviously don't but that doesn't change the fact that there is evidence of distinctness in life and genes. And how is this evidence of the existence of your god? For all you know it could be the Big Blue Banana. I never said religion is valid science! Stating that your god is "responsible" is the same thing. All I say is that looking at the genomes and fossils to see if they have tell tale signs of creation is science. Creation implies being made complete as they are now. We know that that isn't true. When outlining possibilities evidence is what we look at, not proof. That is exactly your problem - you think macroevoltuion is proven. It has been, you just don't (won't) want to see it. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-03-2002]
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