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Author Topic:   Invention, is it a possiblity & the technological future
Pradu
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Message 1 of 21 (188487)
02-25-2005 11:34 AM


Ok, I had two ideas but I figured I would post them in one topic, not sure if it is considered "bad" to post two new topics within a few minutes in the same category (coffee house).
I myself have no knowledge of any of this, so I bring it simply as a question to start my search or end it.
1. Is it possible for us to perhaps invent something that will download information to our minds.
Certain questions also arise when I think of this.... How does the mind "install" memories. Why can we not simply recreate this technique?
Part II.
Looking at todays society, do you believe that we are headed towards a more introverted social world due to technological advances that may be frivolous?
I myself believe we are. With our online fantasy role playing games, playstation II's that hook up directly to the interenet and allow you to talk to other's, door-step delivery food services, online ordering, cell phones and game boys that make children on playgrounds stare down at the RPG world at their fingertips instead of socially interact with others.
We are turning into a fast paced, low hassel, avoid social situations when you can society. Basically someone can go through an entire day without talking to a single human being.
I actually am in a rush, I have a social psychology exam, I'll elaborate more, these ideas I just listed are poorly formatted and not as clear as I would like them too be. Anyways, just wrote it to jump start a conversation for when I return.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 2 of 21 (188523)
02-25-2005 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Pradu
02-25-2005 11:34 AM


Is it possible for us to perhaps invent something that will download information to our minds.
Have you read about Braingate yet? Its a chip they put in a paralyzed man that allows him to use a computer. Are you thinking about getting the info in your brain through a chip like this or were you thinking wireless transmition? If you put a chip in your brain, why not store the info on an external hard-drive in your back pocket with a wire going to your head rather than storing it in your brain.
How does the mind "install" memories. Why can we not simply recreate this technique?
Doesn't your brain keep all your memories "on file" and when you can't remember something it isn't that the file is gone but that you having trouble finding/accessing the file? SO, if we could download/install information into our brain, Do you think we would reach some limit where we'd lose track of the 'files' and have trouble remembering alot of the stuff we downloaded anyways? Thats why I'd go with the hard-drive in the back pocket.
Looking at todays society, do you believe that we are headed towards a more introverted social world due to technological advances that may be frivolous?
yeah, I saw a mom and kid eating lunch together and the kid was playing gameboy and the mom was practically eating alone. But I don't think its gonna get as out of hand as your talking.
We are turning into a fast paced, low hassel, avoid social situations when you can society
People are still gonna want to hang out together, and party and stuff.
online fantasy role playing games
I play Final Fantasy XI which is based on grouping with other players to succeed. You'd be surprised how many social skills are required and used in these games.
How'd the social psychology exam go?

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Pradu
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Message 3 of 21 (188531)
02-25-2005 3:35 PM
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02-25-2005 2:57 PM


Link This link is to a robotic arm that was controlled by a monkey. This to me is amazing, imagine what we can do with this technology.
I have not read about the Braingate but it seems interesting, however it allows humans to only controll a computer through thought. I was wondering if it were possible to controll your thoughts and "install" and or store them as we normally do but through different faster techniques.
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Do you think we would reach some limit where we'd lose track of the 'files' and have trouble remembering alot of the stuff we downloaded anyways?
Yes, this most likely would happen, but we could develop some sort of "find" program that we can install into our brains.
Whether it's a chip or not, I do not know. I am not sure how this could be achieved without one. Perhaps some kind of chip to stimulate whatever process we go through to memorize something and learn it, as well as a chip to stimulate whatever techniques we use to find old, surpressed information.
As for the social technology topic, I suppose you are right. It seems that perhaps the meaning of social interaction will be changed if things become as "extreme" as I had previously though.
- The exam went great, I was prepared and ready for the material that was going to appear on it and believe I will have earned a good grade.
* edited below:
I believe I'll do some research on our brain functions when we try to remember something as well as when we transfer something from short to long term memory. This should allow for a better discussion. I'll get back to you all in a little.
This message has been edited by Pradu, 02-25-2005 15:38 AM

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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 21 (188563)
02-25-2005 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Pradu
02-25-2005 11:34 AM


Basically someone can go through an entire day without talking to a single human being.
In person, maybe, but so what? Are you saying that, unless there's the possibility of getting spit on, it's not really interaction?

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Pradu
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Message 5 of 21 (188564)
02-25-2005 5:57 PM
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02-25-2005 5:52 PM


No, but interaction is part of humanity. The sentence you quoted was not to be taken literally, or better yet as simple as it was put. What if in the future, we never left our rooms?

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 21 (188695)
02-26-2005 11:50 AM
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02-25-2005 5:57 PM


What if in the future, we never left our rooms?
You mean like in Asimov's "The Robots of Dawn"?
Humans have a need to interact with each other. Even if we never left the house, we'd still be interacting through technology.

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Pradu
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Message 7 of 21 (188697)
02-26-2005 11:53 AM
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02-26-2005 11:50 AM


I suppsose I can now ask, does that scare anyone? What would it be like to go weeks without seeing another person?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 8 of 21 (188702)
02-26-2005 12:12 PM
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02-25-2005 2:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Catholic Scientist:yeah, I saw a mom and kid eating lunch together and the kid was playing gameboy and the mom was practically eating alone. But I don't think its gonna get as out of hand as your talking.

i think it already has. you can order everything you need off the intarwebs including groceries and pizza(!!). all they need now is robotic deliverypeoples or teleportation technology and people will never leave their houses.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 9 of 21 (188703)
02-26-2005 12:13 PM
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02-26-2005 11:53 AM


depends. for some it would be very relazing. i mean. i'm sure everyone would appreciate the ability to sit around in his underwear and scratch whenever you like.

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Pradu
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Message 10 of 21 (188706)
02-26-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by macaroniandcheese
02-26-2005 12:13 PM


Yes, but being in a community essential to remain well, stable. Interaction with people lets us know we are not alone. Think if in the future the internet was the only source of communication. What would we need non-verbal communication for? Where would those subtle gestures that can mean nothing or everything go? Not to mention don't you think it is easier to discuss something via the internet because you are not face-to-face with that person.

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CK
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Message 11 of 21 (188708)
02-26-2005 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Pradu
02-25-2005 11:34 AM


quote:
I myself believe we are. With our online fantasy role playing games, playstation II's that hook up directly to the interenet and allow you to talk to other's, door-step delivery food services, online ordering, cell phones and game boys that make children on playgrounds stare down at the RPG world at their fingertips instead of socially interact with others. We are turning into a fast paced, low hassel, avoid social situations when you can society. Basically someone can go through an entire day without talking to a single human being.
Too simplistic - look of most of your examples:
On-line fantasy games - interaction
Cellphones - interaction
You seem to be suggesting that physical presence is required for interaction - it's not.

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CK
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Message 12 of 21 (188710)
02-26-2005 12:34 PM
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02-26-2005 12:24 PM


quote:
Think if in the future the internet was the only source of communication. What would we need non-verbal communication for? Where would those subtle gestures that can mean nothing or everything go? Not to mention don't you think it is easier to discuss something via the internet because you are not face-to-face with that person.
Again a simplistic reading - you seem to equate the internet with purely textual interaction. The development of telepresence and other such technologies means that such a situation is unlikely to come to pass. Hell take the use of webcams at the moment, plenty of non-verbal activity there. increased use of 3 and 4g technologies is only going to increase the use of such technologies.
In addition, as others have mentioned We like to go out, walk in the park.

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Pradu
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Message 13 of 21 (188722)
02-26-2005 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by CK
02-26-2005 12:34 PM


again, I am not using these example for this generation. In the future with all these technologies, what if people start to like staying in?

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jar
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Message 14 of 21 (188723)
02-26-2005 2:26 PM


Where I believe we will see some change.
I believe that as communication becomes increasingly ubiquitous we will see a revision of the concept of community and communion. As information exchange advances, I believe geography will play a diminishing role and area of interest an increasing one. We can see this here in the community at EvC, where we have participants from (a partial listing only) Australia, Canada, the US, England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, South Africa, the Philippines, Indonesia, Italy, Romania, Korea and Texas.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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berberry
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Message 15 of 21 (188786)
02-26-2005 7:02 PM
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02-26-2005 2:26 PM


Re: Where I believe we will see some change.
You forgot Jesusland.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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