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Author Topic:   Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible
xevolutionist
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Message 184 of 381 (188912)
02-27-2005 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by arachnophilia
02-25-2005 12:19 AM


Re: answer: an intelligent person. sometimes.
quote:
solely a faith issue. i refuse to believe in a jesus who walked around attracting worship, claiming to be god or the way to god, etc, as such things ARE blasphemy. even if you're related to god.
But if you really are God, as Jesus stated He is, then it wouldn't be blasphemy, would it?

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xevolutionist
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Message 193 of 381 (189211)
02-28-2005 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by doctrbill
02-27-2005 1:36 PM


Re: Wise as Serpents
I did read the maccabees but it was a couple of years ago. I may have confused that with some other research I was doing on that period. I'll reaccquaint myself with those texts before making any more statements about them.
You have raised some very interesting points and I'll be investigating them as I get time.
I'm not looking for any reasons to believe, my faith is based on very convincing evidence. Thank you for your stimulating comments.

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xevolutionist
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Message 194 of 381 (189219)
02-28-2005 1:08 PM
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02-28-2005 2:17 AM


Re: answer: an intelligent person. sometimes.
quote:
yes. jesus, whether or not he was god, was also man, and a man descended from jacob. that means he is held to mosaic law. breaking mosaic law in such a manner would justify death.
My belief is that He was fully God and fully human. At this time He voluntarily relenquished certain aspects of His Godliness to accomplish His task, to redeem those who would repent and acknowledge Him as King. His resurrection, which was acknowledged by the other apostles, is just one proof of His deity. The fulfillment of the prophecies concerning Him is another proof. The most convincing one of all you will have to discover for yourself.
The proofs that you cite are not. PROOF, the establishment of a fact by evidence.

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xevolutionist
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Message 195 of 381 (189222)
02-28-2005 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by arachnophilia
02-28-2005 3:13 AM


Re: Wise as Serpents
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now, chronicles is boring, and i've never read ezra or ecclesiastes, but i REALLY like job, and proverbs, song of songs, and lamentations. not to mention daniel. and i bet your bible has all of those books, doesn't it?
That is one of the criteria that I didn't mention because I wasn't sure that it was apparent to non believers. It's called a self evidencing quality in that it just reads like the word of God. Most people who handle large amounts of cash become so familiar with authentic currency that it is immediately evident when they handle a fake bill, unless it's printed on genuine currency paper stock. [An extreme rarity.]

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xevolutionist
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Message 197 of 381 (189226)
02-28-2005 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by arachnophilia
02-28-2005 2:55 AM


Re: Wise as Serpents
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i'm gonna make the obvious statement. psalms contains poetry. songs, actually, because they were set to music. they are praises of god, usually, and never prophetic or historical.
What about psalms 2, 22, 72, 89, and 132? 22 especially for the obvious reason that it depicts scenes from the crucifiction. The fact that whoever wrote it wasn't aware that he was writing prophetically, seems compelling.
I won't be contributing to this thread for the immediate future, thank you for a very interesting discussion.

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xevolutionist
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Message 198 of 381 (189236)
02-28-2005 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by doctrbill
02-28-2005 1:42 PM


Judgement
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Answer me this: Why is it that Jesus is coming back to kill me and my friends and members of my family who aren't 'good'Christians? Do you think that makes me want to believe in him?
OK, one last post . I said before that I think most people have an incorrect view of Christianity. I know what you are referring to, but I don't think that He is "coming back to kill everyone who is not a good Christian." Most people who think they are "good Christians" are not. The only reason I can give to believe in Him is that He said He wants you to love Him as He already loves you.
I was talking to my son who had professed a belief in Christ a few years before the conversation took place. I was talking about gaining eternal life by receiving salvation. My son [then about 15 years old] corrected me, stating that all of us [humans] have eternal life, not just those who accept Christ as savior.
I think there will be a final judgement but people will be judged on the content of their heart. Yes, I believe that the NT is right that Jesus is the savior who gives salvation to all that will accept Him and repent, but I believe that is the only criteria. I also know that I may be deluded, and all I believe is wrong.
If the Bible is wrong, then I have lost nothing, as I will have the same fate as all men. If the Bible is right, then I will be in the presence of God for eternity.
When I had the sudden conviction that the message was the truth, I was amazed. I had a very good life and I was not looking for redemption. When I investigated and discovered the evidence that I've spoken of, I was surprised, to say the least, as I had been totally sceptical of all religion.
If it were suddenly proved to me that the Bible was a total fabrication it would change my life very little, as I believe the values taught in the Bible are a very good standard for life. It would greatly disappoint me, as I look forward to life eternal, but I wouldn't be suicidal.

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xevolutionist
Member (Idle past 6923 days)
Posts: 189
From: Salem, Oregon, US
Joined: 01-13-2005


Message 205 of 381 (189558)
03-01-2005 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by arachnophilia
02-28-2005 9:43 PM


recognizing authenticity
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i've operated a chas register for years. i had a counterfeit bill go through my hands once. i didn't even notice. because it felt real, and looked real. now, i check for watermarks. latent images put into the paper. and i look for the strip.
The people in the sector I labor in handle hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, mostly 20's and hundreds, and believe me, if a fake shows up it's spotted. That may be your problem, not spending enough time with the real deal.

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xevolutionist
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Posts: 189
From: Salem, Oregon, US
Joined: 01-13-2005


Message 206 of 381 (189559)
03-01-2005 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by doctrbill
02-28-2005 11:12 PM


Re: Judgement
I am confident that my belief system is grounded in reality, but not so arrogant that I am unwilling to hear other viewpoints and consider them. Right now I'm investigating preterism. Best wishes with your search.

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