Exactly 'HOW' intelligent must a Designer be ?

In order to investigate something empirically, surely
we need to find evidences. Empiracle observations that
confirm or deny the proposition.If we have a proposal for which no empirical evidence can be
found, then surely we must question the proposal, rather than
the method.

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Originally posted by Philip:
Question the proposal vs the method.

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Empiricism, methinks, deals with methods accurately, until we get into the arts and words of communication.

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Are we grunting or creating with our words, Peter?

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To be pedantic ... niether.Words are just an expression of the thoughts behind them.
The thought represents a 'creation', the word simply expresses
it.It is quite possible to string together a list of words that appear
to be communication to someone reading them ... that does not
mean that there is a 'creation' behind them.

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Originally posted by Philip:

Will empiricism ever allow ID? You and I who suffer in this curse (our doom being death and groaning) speak in what I pecieve as powerful terms; despite the mundaneness of these gruntings, empirically speaking.

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If there is evidence which, should it exist, would support ID in
preference to other proposals, then of course empiricism
could allow ID.That's basically what people here have been asking ... 'Is it
testable?'As for the other ... the words may well be mundane, but as I
said above, they are only one way of expressing the IDEA
behind the phrase.

We, as animals, have a peculiarity which means that we
view our surroundings with the bias of our pasts.That does not mean that our surroundings don't exist
objectively (necessarily).Given sufficient independent investigators we can conclude that
a consensus will filter out much of the 'noise' of the
subjective.Things are there, and all actions leave a trace (if briefly).

Does that mean you don't have an response?

Your argument seemed to be that a subjective reality was
more 'real', implying that empiricism couldn't be used
as a meaningful investigative weltenshaung.I questioned the objective reality if the world, in that
noise generated by independent subjective appraisals could
be filtered out via amalgamation.You folded.