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Trae
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Message 76 of 82 (189953)
03-04-2005 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by custard
02-27-2005 11:01 PM


Re: tool creation, tool use, coperation and resiprocity.
While you point out some things I also would like to know, for the purpose of this thread I have to ask, “Would it matter?”

Even if the behavior of the monkey’s were learned or inspired from the humans, would it for the purpose of this thread be significant? Consider that man observed creatures of the air in order to learn how to fly.


"God and I don't speak much. He never admits to his mistakes and still acts as if his every opinion should be carved in stone.” – Trae
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ohnhai
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Message 77 of 82 (189984)
03-04-2005 6:28 AM
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03-04-2005 1:29 AM


We are the masters..
Actually thats a good point. If the notion is that it’s the ability to augment your natural abilities through other actions and tools, what does it matter if YOU come up with the method or you observe it or were taught it?

While I believe it has been shown that Mike’s original stance, that it was uniquely human to extend our natural abilities beyond that which our morphic traits dictate, is wrong (thanks mainly to the diving spider, and to some extent the capuchins) What I will acknowledge is that humans key distinction is the level and complexity that we take it over all aspects of our existence.

We are the supreme tool users/makers and through this it have given us the technology to become the dominant organic force on the planet. ( with germs and viruses a close second) but as it seems clear this extended tool use is just an extension and refinement on tool use in other creatures to expand into areas that their morphic traits wouldn’t normally allow. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t marvel at our skills or not realise the massive advantage that they give us as a species. Some creatures can run fast, some can fly, some can dive to extreme depths, some can shoot scalding chemicals from their rear, some can navigate by sound, some can see heat some can make and use tools. But when it comes to tools we are the masters.


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Wounded King
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Message 78 of 82 (189998)
03-04-2005 8:40 AM
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03-04-2005 6:28 AM


Re: We are the masters..
the dominant organic force on the planet.

What does this mean?

TTFN,

WK


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ohnhai
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Message 79 of 82 (189999)
03-04-2005 8:50 AM
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03-04-2005 8:40 AM


Re: We are the masters..
I was gonna say the dominant force on the planet but, then I remembered the tsunami and we can hardly claim to be the dominant force on the planet when we can’t control good old mother nature yet she can smite us in an instant. That’s all
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Brad McFall
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Message 80 of 82 (190095)
03-04-2005 4:59 PM
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02-26-2005 5:15 PM


Re: UNDERSTAND me befur my hed explodes

Click to enlarge

A sex independent observation on spiders in my backyard
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Wounded King
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Message 81 of 82 (190110)
03-04-2005 6:34 PM
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03-04-2005 8:50 AM


Re: We are the masters..
But even in terms of living things what does it mean? It sounds like one of those daft anthropomorphic ideas such as humans are 'more evolved' than any other lifeform.

TTFN,

WK


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Buzsaw
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Message 82 of 82 (190115)
03-04-2005 7:19 PM
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03-03-2005 5:36 AM


Re: Deserved Cruelty
Thanks Mammuthus and Custard for the encouraging remarks and good points you've made. We get our admonishments to perform better which were not in vain and this kind of encouragement helps to keep us going as we work to improve our skills. May God bless you and yours.


In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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