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Vercingetorix 
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Message 16 of 202 (189422)
03-01-2005 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by custard
02-28-2005 12:29 PM


I'm guessing his pastor.

ahahahaha, yes keep making assumtions, that will do you good, stereotype me all you want.

The 'tail' description only

i always was under the impresion tail meant tail. to you it means penis, for some unknown reason.
and i am supposed to listen to "bible experts" what kind of vague statment is that. i thought this siite was about having validity? but i'm told why don't you listen to the "bible experts". to me a "bible expert" is a mythological creature. i am told there is evidence against my opinion, yet i don't see any, i am told that MY OPINION is not what the experts say or agree with. this is all a bunch of nonesense.

here i'll turn it back on you guys and let's see how it stands up: you guys are inccorrect there are many bible experts that say so and there is lots of evidence.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i am sooooo convinced since someone wrote it and it is in text. i have an opinion i was wondering yours? but since all i get in response is rebuttles without one spec of validity i see i am just wasting my time.

this site is one big oxymoron


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Message 17 of 202 (189423)
03-01-2005 9:12 AM


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Message 18 of 202 (189438)
03-01-2005 11:06 AM


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Participants in this thread are strongly encouraged to follow the Forum Guidelines and focus on the thread's topic. To the evolutionists, please treat the viewpoints of others with respect, especially new members who because they aren't yet familiar with the tenor of debate encouraged here may be quick to take offense.


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Message 19 of 202 (189441)
03-01-2005 11:11 AM
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03-01-2005 9:10 AM


stones?
...the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Vercingetorix-

What part of the anatomy does "stones" refer to here?


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Message 20 of 202 (189451)
03-01-2005 11:45 AM
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03-01-2005 9:10 AM


Surely if all you want is opinions then validity is beside the point?

What validity is there to your own opinion, what part of these verses suggests a brontosaur to you?

TTFN,

WK


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Vercingetorix 
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Message 21 of 202 (189486)
03-01-2005 2:38 PM
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03-01-2005 9:12 AM


Re: EVERYBODY
that's fine i see how YOU PEOPLE are im just gonna have fun here and stuff, thinking i could engage in anything worthwhile from a message board shows how naive i am, i guess. peace out

Im sorry i wasted everyone's time who was trying to be cool and type/talk with me about anything, but i have made a mistake. i was trying a new board, and well it sucks here.
someone says something to me that is offensive, and its cool, i defend myself and administrators jump in. i would still like to read and post so i really don't feel like making an exit, but i willprobably just hang in the coffee room, PAZ!

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Message 22 of 202 (189501)
03-01-2005 3:30 PM
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03-01-2005 2:38 PM


Re: EVERYBODY
Hi Vercingetorix,

Because you're a new member, the moderators stepped in to try to help smooth things out for you. EvC Forum is a strongly scientifically oriented discussion site that hosts the Creation/evolution debate, and many of the evolutionist members have strong science backgrounds including university degrees up to PhD and years of experience in industry. They sometimes exhibit little tolerance for what to them seem half-baked ideas, but if you're able to support your proposals with evidence (as required by the Forum Guidelines) I'm sure you'll do fine.


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Message 23 of 202 (191074)
03-11-2005 11:41 AM
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Re: EVERYBODY
wow so this place IS biased toward the scientists.
what are you saying about people with degrees (up to Phd) that aren't scince related?

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Message 24 of 202 (191076)
03-11-2005 12:01 PM
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03-11-2005 11:41 AM


Re: EVERYBODY
Ninapop writes:

wow so this place IS biased toward the scientists.

EvC Forum was created to provide a venue for debating the claim that Creationism is as scientific as evolution. There are a variety of forums here for all aspects of the debate, but the science forums are intended to approach the issues from the perspective of science. Many members have strong science backgrounds, but the site isn't biased toward scientists. Moderators enforce the Forum Guidelines, which are neutral with respect to viewpoint.

what are you saying about people with degrees (up to Phd) that aren't scince related?

I don't think I said anything about non-science related degrees. But many members have undergraduate degrees, and a fair number also have graduate degrees ranging up to PhD, and there are some post-docs here as well.


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Message 25 of 202 (191133)
03-12-2005 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Vercingetorix
02-28-2005 9:46 AM


there's a difference between bible experts and fundies. fundies tend to think they know what the bible says when, in fact, they haven't a clue.

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arachnophilia
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Message 26 of 202 (191145)
03-12-2005 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Vercingetorix
03-01-2005 9:10 AM


is the bible always literal?
i always was under the impresion tail meant tail. to you it means penis, for some unknown reason.

quote:
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

what does "know" mean in this verse?

quote:
1Sa 24:3 And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where [was] a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet: and David and his men remained in the sides of the cave.

what does "cover his feet" mean in this verse?

quote:
Rth 3:7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.

what does "uncovered his feet" mean in this verse?

quote:
Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

what does "stones" mean in this verese?

quote:
Gen 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

what is abraham's servant swearing on? (hint: think about the word "testify" for a moment)

quote:
2Ki 18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? [hath he] not [sent me] to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own filth, and drink their own water with you?

(rendered the way the hebrew renders it) what are "filth" and "water" talking about?

these are things called euphemisms. they don't translate very well. imagine trying to explain the process of "taking a dump" or "screwing" or "powdering your nose" in another language. would you translate it literally? what would it mean if you did?

quote:
Job 40:17

He moveth his tail like a cedar:
the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.


in this case, you have to understand the parallelism. the first line says something, and second line mirrors it. standard hebrew poetry format. sometimes it's even synonymous. number always go up by one. left is always paired with right. heaven with earth, oceans with rivers, etc. it's pretty easy to catch on, just look for it. (half of the prose is even written this way).

the second half contains a known euphemism: stones. this is actually a kjv english euphemistic rendering of what the verse actually says: thigh or loin. but we know because of all the other verses (including two i posted above) that in many cases, thigh or loin means testicle.

it's talking about virility; sexual prowess. and look what testicle is paired with: tail.

now, assuming you're a male, what would you pair your testicles with? now, what do you think tail means?


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Dark Sage
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Message 27 of 202 (224027)
07-16-2005 2:01 AM


What?
Heres a novel idea why don't you try to prove scripture with scripture, for instance:

Job 40:17
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

now just lets look at stones in another part of the scripture refering to the same type of thing i.e. a living creature

Deuteronomy 23:1
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

I'm not sure about the cedar part but now gee isn't the meaning of stones atleast self explanatory now


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Message 28 of 202 (224039)
07-16-2005 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dark Sage
07-16-2005 2:01 AM


cock and balls
Heres a novel idea why don't you try to prove scripture with scripture, for instance:

you mean like i did above? i just mentioned an earlier law regarding testicles, and an even earlier usage of testification.

I'm not sure about the cedar part but now gee isn't the meaning of stones atleast self explanatory now

"tail" is paralleled with "stones." what do you associate with testicles?


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Message 29 of 202 (224202)
07-17-2005 11:38 AM
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07-16-2005 5:20 AM


Re: cock and balls
16. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.


Image from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis

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Message 30 of 202 (224270)
07-17-2005 5:38 PM
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Re: cock and balls

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