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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
T.B.,
Sure let's take the limitations of science as we now know it, and say it points to creation, becuase we do not know everything about it. Heck, it must point to creation or else we would know about it now? How illogical is that? In my opnion, creationism should not be taught as mainstream science. I have gone over and over this belief or pereference. Take either word, fine with me. I am sure others have agreed with my viewpoints. If the kiddies want to believe that they a "Creator" created them, then they should go and research that on their own personal time. No need to waste time spent in intelligent and accepted forms and proofs of science, mathematics, or anything. This would include theories that are backed up with considerable evidence, evolution. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
T.B.,
"I do not beleive the origin of God is worth thinking about on this side of eternity." So if God's orgin is not worth thinking about, why think about it at all? Heck, he may be Satan masquerading as God and laughing at you. And if you do not think or are even concerned with your God's orgin, what makes you think you can be an expert in saying what the earth's orgins were? Question, you seem to know everything, tell us why you seem to know that the earth was created, yet you cannot even asnwer direct questions directly. "I believe by faith that my God is responisble for life on earth. I also scientifically beleive that the data backs it up, although not neccesarily uniquely." Hah, belief by faith again blind faith. Can you prove that your faith is reliable and realistic? Hmm, science has to back up a supposition very uniquely, if not then we need to discard it. Bye-bye thoery. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Well, logic and reason are not needed when one has faith and belief.
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RedVento Inactive Member |
quote: The problem still revolves around the fact that creationism is based on religous texts. When Creationists can remove ALL religious overtones then, and maybe then can creationism be considered an alternative theory to evolution. But since it will always get back to the fact that creationism relies on a mystical being who is responsible for our existance, a being who cannot be seen, or shown to actually exist, that day will never happen.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
RedVento
So if God did create and the geo-column was due to a global flood you are saying that the distinctneess of gene families in genomes and the domination of marine sedimentaiton on our continents is irrelevant? So scientific evidence is only relevant if God doesn't exist. No. I,let alone God, will tell you that they were relevant. The potential God inhabited universe you allow for is ridiculous. The Biblical God not only claimed to do things that must have left evidence he even told us that they did leave evidence! And that evience is there. There is somehting in between your silly strawman 'Big Blue Banana' God and evolution. Your logical breakdown is that you a priori pretend that God can't have left evidence. [This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 10-06-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Hey, the Big Blue Banana is my supreme being example. What is this evidence of god? It is one thing to tell us there is evidence, but it is another to actually show it. And using the circular arguement that one must first have faith and belief that god exists to see this evidence is not proof of anything but self-delusion. BTW, your statement is very disjointed and somewhat confusing. You are beginning to sound desperate. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-06-2002]
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
^ Read it again nos482.
The evidence is distinct lifeforms, distinct gene families and vast marine innundaitons on land. It does not prove anything but it is what we expect.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: And how is this evidence for the existence of your god? This is evidence for evolution from what I see. What you're basically saying is something like this. "Since the banana is shaped "perfectly" to fit the human hand and has a little tab on the end to peel it from that this proves the existence of god." (BTW, the correct way to peel a banana is from the other end, and not the stem.) Do you know how silly your statement sounds to us.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I didn't realize that there was a "correct" way to peel a banana. What advantage is gained by peeling it from the bottom?
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Actually it peels much easier from the bottom than the top. This is how other banana eating primates do it as well.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I once got a pamplet from a local church which said exactly this. The same pamplet explained how, since Coke cans do not arise spontaneously, neither can life arise via abiogenesis.
quote: umm... yeah... I want to know too. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by John:
I once got a pamplet from a local church which said exactly this. I had heard it from a TV preacher. The same pamplet explained how, since Coke cans do not arise spontaneously, neither can life arise via abiogenesis. It's amazing how they use an apples and oranges arguement to convince some. It just goes to show much bad science education is at the grade school level in the USA. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-07-2002]
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RedVento Inactive Member |
quote: No what I am saying is remove the bible. Use "creation science" to come up with a theory about a creator, and do not use the bible as a template for what/why/how the creator did it all. You can't. Without the bible there is no point to start from, your observations can all be answered by evolution. The introduction of a creator makes the subject philosophical. Answering the question of "why are we here?" That is a question that as far as I know evolution doesn't attempt to answer. What no creationist seems to be able to admit is that the reason they need creationism to be "right" is that they have some need to validate their existance. "God made me so I must be special" Well that's fine and dandy, and I have no problem with that, however don't force that down our throats, and don't pretend that there is some other noble reason behind the madness. And finally accept that creationism is not, will never be, science. No ideology springing from a religous text can be construed as science. Period. Red- Confortable with his place in the universe, regardless of the possible existance of God. - We were "created" with free will.. if "God" chooses to punish me for exercising it, then screw him.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
nos
Have a look at the use of the word 'distinct' in my post. Maybe it's nothing to do with bananas.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
RV
My 2 lesson syllabus for creation (see Quetzal's thread) outlines the evidence for creation that is Bible free. This is appropriate for a governmnet school course. It will not stop me from elsewhere demonstrating evidence of the Biblical God. [This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 10-08-2002]
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