|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,767 Year: 4,024/9,624 Month: 895/974 Week: 222/286 Day: 29/109 Hour: 2/3 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Atheist Frendly Q&A | |||||||||||||||||||||||
PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6898 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
[quote]I was pointing out PG's refusal to discuss his beliefs when requested and that it is bad for an individual to fail to critically consider their beliefs. I stand by my position and reaffirm that it was something that needed to be said to PG. It was in no way an "ambush"
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6898 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
[quote]I was pointing out PG's refusal to discuss his beliefs when requested and that it is bad for an individual to fail to critically consider their beliefs. I stand by my position and reaffirm that it was something that needed to be said to PG. It was in no way an "ambush"
I changed my mind about a reply to this. It isn't worth it.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6898 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
quote: I have clearly stated and so from scripture why, at a certain point, I decline to continue in 'discussion'. That is because, in my opinion, continuing is no longer profitable and has nothing to do with cocoons, but prudence and a deep respect for the Word of God.Discussing scripture is not for slugfests, it is a holy matter, and must be approached with respect. If this is not acceptable to you, please indicate that it is not, and invite me to leave this forum Pascal's Wager......nice try.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminJar Inactive Member |
I have clearly stated and so from scripture why, at a certain point, I decline to continue in 'discussion'. You appear to use this consistently as a get out of discussion card. If you are going to participate in discussions then such behavior is inappropriate. You are always free to simply not post or, as you put it, leave this forum. That is totally up to you. But if you are going to post in threads you will be expected to participate. That does not mean tossing in an aside and when it is questioned or additional input is requested, running away. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
General discussion of moderation procedures Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, Style Guides for EvC and Assistance w/ Forum Formatting
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Taqless Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
Pecos George writes: The difference is stated in Romans 8:6For to be carnally minded [is] death; Really? Well, if carnal knowledge is sexual intercourse between a man (let's say Adam) and a woman (let's say Eve) then the verse means...what? 1) Adam and Eve didn't have carnal knowledge?If not, then why the reproductive parts? 2) Carnal knowledge before the fall did not lead to death?So, "the fall" resulted in carnal knowledge leading to death? Hmmm, which would imply that the death due to "the fall" was NOT spiritual death afterall (an explanation used here on this forum).
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm not sure if PG is still around and participating but I feel some reply to your question is warranted.
In his letter to the Romans Paul is not using carnal in a sexual sense but rather to mean "Worldly". He is speaking of those who are more concerned with the latest toys than with doing what's right. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Taqless Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
Oops! Thanks.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No problem. In fact, I hope this thread will become a place where just that type of question can be brought up and answered. After all, it was one of the few times Paul wasn't talking about sex. LOL
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, I get it. People who agree with you all the time and do not question your reasoning are spiritually-minded and anyone who disagrees with you or points out when you are in error is not spiritually-minded. Tell me, PG, how is this not a dressed up version of you telling us to just accept that you have all the answers and to shut up and stop questioning you? This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-17-2005 10:55 AM
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Tell me PG, which person is the more arrogant, the one who doubts what he knows, or the one who never doubts what he knows?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Taqless Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
After all, it was one of the few times Paul wasn't talking about sex. LOL Hence, my faux-pa. I did, however, have a question for you. One sees quite often christians automatically slipping into this idea that they are spiritual because of being christian. This leads me to ask Is the spirituality taught and espoused by Jesus Christ the same "spirit" that is talked about in the old testament as coming into someone? I ask because in my limited experience (raised SDA) I always get a very different feel from the message that JC had concerning our lives, the treatment of other people, etc when compared to the message that the old testament had and definitely even the message that Paul gave....which always struck me as a fanatical/fundamental version of what JC taught. I would liken it to the idea that no one will give you more hell about smoking than an ex-smoker!
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tagless asks: Is the spirituality taught and espoused by Jesus Christ the same "spirit" that is talked about in the old testament as coming into someone? Wow. You folk are tough. Yet another very good question. This one is going to be a little more difficult to answer. Let me ask you to give me a couple examples of what you're talking about as it relates to the OT. The reason I'm asking is that there are many different instances of Spirit in the OT and without knowing the context it's hard to determine what you're referring to. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
tagless writes:
Hey, Tagless! In my opinion, Jesus was always easier on common folk than common folk are on each other! The message of the O.T. was written for whoever reads it, as any good book is, but it was written TO the Jews. The message of the Gospels was also written TO the Jews as a fullfillment of their Messianic Kingdom. I always get a very different feel from the message that JC had concerning our lives, the treatment of other people, etc when compared to the message that the old testament had and definitely even the message that Paul gave....which always struck me as a fanatical/fundamental version of what JC taught. God in His foreknowledge knew that Israel would reject their Messiah, so the message expanded when Paul was knocked off his high horse and converted. His message, directed at a new group of people known as the Body of Christ, was a mystery that was only unveiled at that time. It was a message unknown by any Prophets before, but known by God. Paul was human, and his message was fanatical because he was fanatical. It is not a judgemental message of rules, however. Keep in mind that church folk are human and therefore very imperfect. The church is harder on its own than they need to be. We all were "smokers" at one point in our lives, and were it not for the Grace of God and that alone, we would still be "smokers"! When Jesus speaks words of judgement, they are always directed at pompous Church folk who arrogantly assume divinity status.(Be they Pharisee of T.B.N. windbags.) Its not about trying to do all the right things, although doing good works will come naturally to a believer. It is about trusting the source of your inner spirit. The source originates with the Father, brought through the Son by The Holy Spirit into your heart. People get mixed up when they assume that they can just do good things and still keep their own self will.(You cannot serve two masters.}A believer is not a religious person, necessarily. A believer is one who has undergone a transformation of sorts. They do good things just because they feel an inner joy and unction to do so! That is God in us! A common cliche? Christianity is NOT a religion. Man in his imperfection has tried to make it so. Christianity is a relationship, with the living Spirit that yearns to be within us. Its not usually the people with the plastic haircuts and faithful churchgoing that have this Spirit. It is the common folk that shine like a light without trying to keep you in the dark! This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-17-2005 10:54 AM
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Taqless Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
Let me try to explain further, since I don't own a bible, so examples might be a stretch for me.
From my recollection "spirit" takes on more of a "this is mine and I'm gonna give it to you" type of approach....like a physical aspect that the god could bestow on someone in the old testament: spirit moves someonespirit moves something else (across the waters?) It's almost as though it is something done to something else. In contrast, Jesus (let's limit what is discussed to him) seems to propose a concept of spirit that involves everything...the inter-connectedness of it all....mmm kinda like ownership of one and how it relates to everything else.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Taqless Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
Hey Phatboy!
Thanks for your reply. Although I have alot of respect for your ideas and the way you think your reply seems a bit off the mark. I'm more interested in the reason for the difference between spirituality in the old testament versus the new wrt JC (since I think that many christians feel he is the son of god as well as the god of the old testament). Hope that helps, maybe I misunderstood your reply. I will re-read it in the meantime.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024