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Author Topic:   What is an "Ex Believer", anyway?
contracycle
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Message 11 of 123 (193247)
03-22-2005 6:14 AM


It's also dangerously close to being a blame-game - clearly, if god has not come to you, either "your heart was closed to him" or you must be in some way unworthy. Whatever, the failure of god to appear is rationalised as your fault, rather than as just possibly indicating god is imaginary. This is one of the unsavoury aspects of religion that makes it dishonest and manipulative.
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contracycle
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Message 18 of 123 (193611)
03-23-2005 4:40 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
03-23-2005 3:51 AM


Re: I'm not insane, I'm telling you! You've Got to believe me!
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No. A Believer is someone who has actually( at least in their perception) met God...through a spiritual epiphany. My point is that once you meet someone, you can never deny their reality.
No, thats just a combination of rationalisation and playing the "holier than though" game, religious one-upmanship.
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So lets wheel Phatboy off to the rubber room and reassure him that he met god....all the while defending the sanity of a society which surely could never allow such a supernatural truth to be a viable possibility. Come visit me occasionally, and I will tell you more supernatural tales from the world which you dismiss as insanity.
OK. after all, I want to chat to Napoleon in the next room.
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What if you experienced what I claim to have experienced. Would you stick to your rational mind and attempt every way to explain your experience within a empiracal framework?
Obviously. If god really exists, rationality - one of gods gifts I might add - should not be incompatible with his existance. The fact that you introduce special pleading to exempt this claim from rationality is in part what makes it look like a lie.
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In other words, do you refuse to consider belief because it is uncomfortable, impossible, or merely threatening to your own sense of control over what you allow to influence you?
No. Its because there is no evidence for it, its routinely pracitced in a dishonest manner, wishes to suppress rationality, and is generally contrary to human welfare.

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contracycle
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Message 55 of 123 (196627)
04-04-2005 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
03-30-2005 7:00 AM


Re: The definition of meeting God
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Now that I've cleared that up, perhaps you can tell us your current definition of belief and correct my bumbling presumptions. If you have changed MY definition of belief, you can then be classified as an ex believer. My definition is not defined penultimately by human wisdom.
Thats because your argument is now purely sophistry constructed to deny any contradictions.

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