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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6899 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
I thought as much!
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3732 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
I have to echo jar here. As a Christian I have only ever been insulted or treated poorly by other Christians on this board. To be perfectly honest, the behaviour of some Christians on this board has made me ashamed to say that I'm a Christian. I haven't seen much evidence of the "heathens" raging against Christians, but I've seen plenty of evidence of "Christians" raging against anyone and everyone who doesn't swallow what the "Christians" say just because a "Christian" said it.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You're not getting it. It is my experience on this board that regardless of 'evidence' provided, the evidence is refused as such, and denied as such. Time once again to post one of my favorite forum mesasges ever, from another forum: I could if I wanted to:
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
You're not getting it. It is my experience on this board that regardless of 'evidence' provided, the evidence is refused as such, and denied as such. I'm sure there may be individual cases of that. But the best way to handle that is to stick to it and put the evidence forward again. Try to insist on a reason for any apparent rejection. However, I, for one, don't recall much of a deluge of evidence from you. Perhaps you'd like to pick the best 3 cases where your evidence as been ignored. You may find that there are different standards for evidence in the sciences than you are used to.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Because you get extra attacks per round and do more hit point damage. You have to be careful, though, because it only lasts a short time and then you are fatigued.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
thus the word "try." i've more or less come the conclusion that we as human are not able or indeed ready to comprehend exactly what god is about, to the infinite extent of his being. The addmission of ignorance is the beginning of learning. Guess wer'e all just bits 'o bacon to Pecos George
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
DHA, when Christians speak of "trying" as an impossibility, they mean that it is impossible to try and be godlike. Human nature is simply not built that way, for them at least. They would prefer to believe that trusting God is opening the opportunity for His impartation and Spirit to raise us up and teach us to love all that is Holy. The problem...the clash of worldviews...is when we are taught by our church to abhor any appearances of evil. In context, what is mean't by Christian catchphrases such as "Be ye seperate..."
We try so hard to be perfect instead of admitting the impossibility of perfection. Ironically, we are trying to be as gods instead of letting God be God in us. Historically, the absolutists, although argueably morally true, became despots who stifled creativity and pronounced judgement on a world where free ideas and rational thought ultimately enabled the progression of humanity to the next level. This is the ultimate paradox. Is the next level attained through surrender and impartation, or is it achieved through human effort and imagination? Is this a black/white issue or is a shade of gray appearing??
DHA writes:
Well, compared to an infinite and loving God, we ARE bits o bacon. Guess wer'e all just bits 'o bacon to Pecos GeorgeHe did give us the means to think, however. God wants more from us than to be hopelessly imperfect and simple. How do we achieve our destiny? This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-23-2005 12:30 AM
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TheLiteralist Inactive Member |
Hi PecosGeorge,
I have learned some interesting things here--things I probably couldn't have learned elsewhere. Some very expert people have discussed interesting things with me. There IS derision, sure. But that is not all that happens here. Not to me, at least, and I'm a literalist...a YEC...I believe in a young created earth. If anyone were going to experience pure derision, it'd be me, right? That is not my experience. Some very knowledgeable people, who disagree very strongly with me, have laid their derisions aside (if they had any) to engage me in polite, but challenging, discussions about radiometric dating and other interesting subjects. RAZD, NosyNed, Roxrkool, Percy, JonF, PaulK, Sylas, Dr. Cresswell, WoundedKing, CrashFrog...just to name a few...have all engaged me politely. I have seen the Admins, particularly Adminnemooseus, to be as tough...perhaps tougher...on the evos as the creos...regarding debate rules. That is MY experience with the admins here. I have also enjoyed your unique posts, PG (they are almost poetic at times). I agree with some of your posts, disagree with some. Some boards do indeed do what you say. I don't go there. Nor do I engage people who seem intent merely to mock Christianity. But, while I have definitely seen Christianity mocked here (and I would hardly not expect that), it isn't all that goes on. To be clear...I am NOT defending the mocking of Christianity nor all the actions of the people that frequent this board. I am only saying that derision of Christianity is not all I experience here. Do with that information and view what you think is right. It is an attempt to answer your question as best I can. --TheLit edited to insert important word I left out. AbE:Ya, and AdminNosy will demand faithfulness to topic no matter WHO you are, right? I am sure he catches it for that, sometimes. This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 03-23-2005 02:35 AM This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 03-23-2005 02:42 AM
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
We try so hard to be perfect instead of admitting the impossibility of perfection vs.
God wants more from us than to be hopelessly imperfect and simple. How can we admit the impossibility of perfection if god wants us to be perfect.
How do we achieve our destiny? Get out of bed in the morning.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The fundie would argue that God wants us to achieve perfection through the process of surrender to the Holy Spirit who then indwells us and raises us to perfection through communion.
The scientific and/or practical literalist would disagree, saying that surrender to an ideology is akin to checking ones brains in at the door and becoming a blind sheep. The Bible guy would respond by saying that to truly see, one must become blind. To truly have revelation, one must find the truth through the acceptance of a personal relationship with the Truth Himself. What would DHA say?
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
The fundie would argue that God wants us to achieve perfection through the process of surrender to the Holy Spirit who then indwells us and raises us to perfection through communion. The scientific and/or practical literalist would disagree, saying that surrender to an ideology is akin to checking ones brains in at the door and becoming a blind sheep. The Bible guy would respond by saying that to truly see, one must become blind. To truly have revelation, one must find the truth through the acceptance of a personal relationship with the Truth Himself.What would DHA say? None of this is responsive to what I posted.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
My point is that you may believe that perfection is obtained through individual initiative and effort while I may believe that perfection is obtained through surrender to God.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
My point is that you may believe that perfection is obtained through individual initiative and effort while I may believe that perfection is obtained through surrender to God. What is perfection? By what standards could we judge perfection if we are not perfect?
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jar writes: are DHA and Phatt starting a thread of their own? No. Well actually, DHA and I are showing how we can disagree without my feeling like the Heathen are attacking me. What do you think, Jar? Is this related to the topic? Perfection is Christ. Truth is stranger than fiction because we have made fiction to suit ourselves. -- G.K. Chesterson It ain't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.-- Will Rogers
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