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Author Topic:   If Genesis is Metaphorical, what's the metaphor?
jar
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Message 128 of 168 (190347)
03-06-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Jor-el
03-06-2005 5:05 PM


Re: Uh?
For those who believe in the metaphorical genisis, there is a natural tendency to dismiss the whole book as fictional as pertaining to the accounts therin, for those who have faith and a belief in God the opposite is just as natural.
What about those who have faith and a belief in GOD that also believe that all of Genesis is fictional?

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jar
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Message 152 of 168 (193291)
03-22-2005 9:10 AM
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03-22-2005 1:37 AM


Re: A possible metaphor?
When Adam and Eve ate the apple they gained the knowledge of good and evil, therefore all of us as their children have the responsibility of knowing right from wrong.
Responsibility!
Very good. IMHO that is a message that is all too often neglected and ignored. Instead, the story of Adam and Eve is used as an excuse; "But we are all bad because of the apple".
We know right and wrong and we have a responsibility to do right.

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jar
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Message 154 of 168 (193302)
03-22-2005 9:31 AM
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03-22-2005 9:19 AM


Re: A possible metaphor?
Well, since there is no indication that they had any experience of death,even that may be exaggerated. Would they be any more capable of understanding what death is than say, an 8 year old?
I'd like to move back towards the original topic.
Can we walk through the sections of Genesis and discuss the various lessons to be learned from each?

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Message 156 of 168 (193316)
03-22-2005 10:07 AM
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03-22-2005 9:46 AM


Re: A possible metaphor?
I would suggest that we take them in order simply for continuity but am certainly open to suggestions from others. Perhaps a few other posters will chime in with suggestions.

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Message 158 of 168 (193357)
03-22-2005 11:27 AM
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03-22-2005 11:08 AM


Starting on 4?
I have no problem with that except IMHO to understand Chapter 4 you must have a correct understanding of the story of the Garden.
We can certainly start in Chapter 4 although I believe it will of necessity require reference back to Chapter 3 and that the content of Chapter 4 actually helps understand and illuminate Chapter 3.

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Message 160 of 168 (193385)
03-22-2005 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by arachnophilia
03-22-2005 11:55 AM


Well, frankly ...
if it is to be a discussion between you and me I don't know how worthwhile it will be.
Let's just hang loose and see if there is any interest from anyone else. If not then I see no reason to not simply let the thread die a worthy death.

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Message 166 of 168 (193483)
03-22-2005 4:59 PM
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03-22-2005 2:18 PM


Link to the Book of the Secrets of Enoch ...
can be found here
Nietzche??? Nietzche??? Good grief, will it be Kafka next?
No fair, it's been near a half century since I read Nietzche! LOL
But yeah, as I bemember it, that's about what he said.
I would certainly disagree (and IIRC did disagree) with that based on a couple things. First, Noah & Company only get saved through science. They get a commission, a few rough directions and over night create a ship building industry that turns out to be the salvation of mankind.
If the problem was folk gaining knowledge, if this were an anti-science ploy, then why use science as the Deux Ex Machina to get the hero out of trouble? Why not reuse the old plot from a couple episodes ago and place an angel with a fiery sword that wards off the waters and keeps Noah & Company safe? After all, the miracle gambit was so good that only a few episodes later in the saga they used it again to part the waters.
How does the old song go?
If it was good enough for Moses, it's good enough for me.
I do believe though that it is a message or morality play, in fact a classic one. It has all of the characteristics, hero standing tall against all odds overcomes impossibly difficult circumstances and triumphs while the evil town's people suffer.
It is, like all such tales, simplified and exagerated for clarity and emphasis. Everything is magnified. The flood is not just a flood, it's a world-wide flood. Not just the evil town's people suffer, everyone not on the preferred list gets killed. Not just the people die, all the animals die.
The message is that if you trust this here GOD he will take care of you.
There's also the likelyhood that some real event of events, ones that would be familar to the audience, served as the basis for the story, but that is certainly not necessary. In either case, just like other such tales, it was told to instill confidence in a group that they would be taken care of.

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